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scrutinising FCPX and john davidson’s timelapse.
As one who chooses to mindlessly batter Apple for FCPX –
John davidson’s timelapse on the 30 second promo spot is one of the more absorbing and entertaining (who doesn’t like a music interlude) sequences I’ve seen.
I know ripple training take you through carefully manicured civil war re-enactments in training – with lots of visible sound fx to brighten up the bottom audio part of things – for one accustomed to seeing an active audio spread of elements in the traditional VA split.
but john’s promo spot was the first time I felt a genuine FCPX peek viewing of a process intimate to me, having done a fair few spots like that myself.of all the guff (er) on the forum – davidson is about the first direct participant to lay out his entire home brew process, to the degree my embattled mind can perceive it.
including say niceties like a ‘gfx’ smart collection term catch for all those elements, nominating compound clips as primary edit versions to avoid the project folder slide out malarky – and also: not to overstate for him, but John looks to be largely forgoing the primary.that at the very least is interesting – or should be interesting to apple – its is beyond obvious that the benefits to john, and quite a few others, in terms of footage interrogation, diffuse rapid tagging, post production masking for dodge and burn, and effects handling all in realtime at 1080P and above on near consumer hardware – are actually outweighing his ability to work in apple’s defined core editing workspace, the primary.
you have to think this should be, in some way, at least… intriguing to apple.
No one is saying apple need to walk back to avid tracks with a million switches – but
they maybe can hit a better point than a tilde negation key – that is an awkward point for everyone.for someone with no leg to stand on – you might think Apple need to provide at least a scenario where the main timeline/primary becomes looser and more precise/delicate/unconstricted? aren’t there moments where you need the tickle of real jenga editing fear?
If John Davidson were around – it would really be helpful if he could expand on his future preferences for the primary he currently tends to avoid?
this should not be the multiple ranges of jeremy garchow’s nightmares – if enough people reading and using FCPX in anger climb on board.
is there any issue with apple’s primary? does the tilde key fix it? this is, needless to say, directed at people who have… actually bothered their arses to really work this software.
So an attentive zip across my own mouth anyway.
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You realize I’m going to have to make that Primary vs Secondary blog video for this now, don’t you?
John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.
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Just finished a piece where we had 27 voxpops to pull together into 2 x 1 minute promo films, started the edit in PPro CS6 , but missed the flexibility of the primary so much I switched back to FCPX to finish. For me, using it to quickly assemble narrative flow, it’s better than every other NLE out there.
And yes, the tilde key fixes a really annoying problem with the primary.
It’s a different and for me better way of constructing narratives and I for one hope your endless tirades against it fall of deaf ears in Cupertino.
Steve Connor
‘It’s just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure” -
But of course.
Let’s not take in to account that there’s a common shared iTunes library that supposedly can’t be done.
Or that there is no SAN here, but rather a fairly easy OS exploit, that not only allows sharing of FCPX material on a NAS, but locks users out from destroying each other’s work.
Or that, quad core i7s on any other platform but the Mac OS, are professional, but are somehow bandaged ‘near consumer’ when put in an iMac.
And that with Thunderbolt boxes, all professional i/o is handled that is good enough for broadcast. Via tape and otherwise
Or that the effects that are conceived and packaged in house, are shared company wide and easily copied to all users without much trouble.
And all of this gets done without using the primary because as has been stated, for this workflow, it’s not really needed.
No no.
Apple is down right flawed and should take immediate action to remedy these abominations of the exalted NLE hallows.
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yes – you rather absolutely should –
there is an utter dearth of that stuff – I know that the ripple and slip stuff operates differently on the secondary, and again on connected – versus the primary – apple have a new modal thing going there in tool operation given the same tools operate differently in those contexts. but its not seen enough in practise?
no one is going to get the methodology unless they see it common or garden.
that said – what would it take for you to operate a 30″ spot in the primary – surely it can’t simply be a gap clip operator?
what is it that keeps you from the primary?
me have no agenda under god here – public forum.
given all the other advantages – some of which I well get – why shy from the primary for short form – or should it simply be left as it is?
totally cool if so.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Apple is down right flawed and should take immediate action to remedy these abominations of the exalted NLE hallows.”
Yes, go on Apple make it like all the others, why do you have to be so different?
Steve Connor
‘It’s just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure” -
Having used the software quite a bit – I go back and forth between it and 7 due to collaboration necessity (IOW, the other facility doesn’t have/use X) – there were only two issues with the primary that caused me any trouble. They were 1) deleting a clip in it and all the connected clips getting deleted and 2) slipping/sliding a clip in the primary and having the connected clips remain connected not to the clip per se, but to that FRAME of the clip. So they moved with the slip and slide.
Both are completely solved by holding down the tilde key. If you ask me, it should be the complete reverse, as not holding the tilde key can possibly be a tragic destructive event. Or at least it could be a toggle. But like any software, you need to learn how to use it, and in this case, you hold down tilde when you delete something in the timeline and when you slip and slide. Yeah, sounds stupid when you say it out loud, or in a forum as the case may be.
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not a tirade – zipped mouth steve. am honestly just asking.
expand – if kosher – on your own primary usage? the improvement with tilde? what is fixed in your own workflow. – what could be better still?
or tilde nailed it you know?
and zipped mouth.
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I only asked this – I’m not qualified to go near the issue of the primary?
I literally just thought I might throw it open for dudes who know what they’re talking about?
Querying the primary is not kryptonite, and I tried to leave it specifically open to you guys as to whether or not you would want to -at all- engage with it?
It’s … look – I just happened to set quite a lot of store by john’s workflow as I viewed it, it felt familiar – that is all – I’m not trying to pull anything here, I just thought given visibility – engaged discussion on the primary might be interesting from the position of those most engaged in it.
seriously – and completely re-zipped on my part – not another word need be said.
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “or tilde nailed it “
While it’s not an Apple documented function, you can lock the Tilde key On. At that point you can jiggle anything you want in the Primary and the Connected Clips and Secondary stay locked to time and not the Primary.
I’m find it works with either of two key combination.
Tilde Option then click in timeline or Tilde Command and then click in the timeline.
Clicking the Tilde key again releases the lock.I found one video online that mentions this.
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[Bret Williams] “If you ask me, it should be the complete reverse, as not holding the tilde key can possibly be a tragic destructive event. Or at least it could be a toggle. But like any software, you need to learn how to use it, and in this case, you hold down tilde when you delete something in the timeline and when you slip and slide. Yeah, sounds stupid when you say it out loud, or in a forum as the case may be.”
interesting recommendation there? discussion thing? does that make the apple timeline more interesting/less interesting to anyone involved?
and zip.
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