Brian Deviteri
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…and probably something every one of us would want to snag for the under $10k price range with hard drive or solid state drive attachment.
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[Jan Crittenden Livingston] “The LSI not only initiates the conversation but also directs trafic across a fault free SD raid array.”
Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t it a RAID 0 in the P2 cards, not a RAID 1? How can it be “fault free” in a RAID 0 without backup or redundancy?
[Jan Crittenden Livingston] “You do need to have a “smart” chip” installed and to say it is because we are “blocking” is one interptretation; rather my interpretaion is that we guarantee results, not “sort of guaranteed” based on your choice of hard drive and such.”
Are the results with the $2000 Firestore hard drive guarenteed? Can we get a Firestore “interface” unit to use our own external hard drives with?
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do you have a link to a more accurate chart?
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Jan,
If you don’t mind my asking, why even bother with LSI? Does it have a function that is more beneficial than just preventing users from using only “Panasonic approved” products in the camera?
To me, without knowing more about what LSI does right now, it seems like it’s just a limiting factor that is making it harder for end-users to use this camera to it’s fullest potential. It is entirely possible to make a direct to hard drive adapter cable for use with an external hard drive, but if we need a “smart chip” installed on the adapter or hard drive for the camera to talk to the hard drive (which seems like what LSI is), then Panasonic is really blocking this ability of the users. (Sounds like bad Macrovision protection on a camera we will all be using to make our own movies and videos.)
Please understand that I’m not knocking the P2 technology or this camera… I think it has a lot of potential. Right now I’m looking for cost effective alternatives to get more “recording” time onto my own external hard drives – this where all of my P2 data will end up anyway when all shooting is complete… at least for the next few years until P2 prices drop drastically.
If the proposed Firestore solution was more cost effective and allowed the use of your own external hard drives (just an interface device), then maybe it would be a more attractive option. But as it is right now, the camera can already do DTE recording. We do not need an “FS-4” device to do this… miniDV users went to Firestore because they did not have DTE abilities. With the HVX200, we are getting DTE built into the camera… we should not have to shell out $2000 for, what in the end for all of us is just a hard drive.
The camera has its own operating system and the ability to do DTE without a “FS-4” style device when using P2 cards… it should be able to record directly to a hard drive with a P2 “adapter”, but my impression is that Panasonic is blocking this ability (like Sony seems to do time and again) so we are forced to either buy a 3rd party “partner” product (like a Firestore device) or more Panasonic devices (P2 cards and P2 store drives). Is my understanding wrong?
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Mark,
If Cardbus is truly faster then Firewire (which I originally thought as well), can you please explain to my why I am getting this chart for speed comparisons when using an external hard drive enclosure device that has cables for both Firewire and Cardbus?
https://www.addonics.com/products/host_controller/images/throughput_comparison.jpg
this speed comparsion chart is available on this page:
https://www.addonics.com/products/Saturn/aesed.aspWhat I’m trying to accomplish is a simple concept in theory… plug an external hard drive directly into the P2 slot (using a PCMCIA / Cardbus hard drive adapter) and make that hard drive into a really big pseudo P2 card. Since this camera is operating system based (again, I believe Linux), something like this should not be a problem to accomplish UNLESS Panasonic has blocked any function that would be similar to this internally or if they require a “smart chip” in the external media to “talk” to the camera (like almost all Sony products do).
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I just read a spec sheet that says “HD video from the Canon XL H1 can be externally recorded in a variety of common HD industry formats including HDCAM, DVCPRO HD, and D5-HD.” Anyone know if this will be over firewire direct to hard drive, or if it will only be available as an HD-SDI output to converter box to hard drive? Does it record to tape then playback an output over HD-SDI (like the Sony FX1 and Z1U)? Does it record to tape only or is this hard drive and/or solid state based at all, even if it’s over firewire to an external hard drive? Any info from users on this forum would be greatly appreciated. I just really want to know the features so I can make my own evaluation and compare costs of all my options.
I still think I’m liking the HVX200 better than this (I’m not really a big fan of HDV and recording MPEG-2 to a tape), but if the camera will record DVCPRO HD and/or HDCAM directly to any old external hard drive without a Firestore style device, then it is something at least worth looking at and exploring.
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[donatello] “maybe what we have here is a McDonalds crowd ( hand size DV camera $$ 2000-3500) and now somebody is offerring a better burger for more $$ ( 2x-3x $$ ) …”
Personally, that’s not my mentality on the situation. I just want to get FAIR value for what I am paying for and a FAIR price. For P2 cards, maybe the price is fair right now, but for the storage capacity available right now, I think it’s overpriced for a storage to dollar ratio. Yes, in a few years that will change, but I’m seriously working on the facts and how I can implement this solution into my workflow. That is why I was looking to a Firestore or similar hard drive based “P2 card” replacement or device.
I can either pay $2000 for an 8gb P2 card or $2000 for a 100gb hard drive… the “economics” here are simple yes, you are getting more out of your dollar with the hard drive, but doesn’t $2000 for a 100gb hard drive seem a little much in price to anyone? I’d pay $500-1000 for a small interface device WITHOUT a hard drive attached to it so I can use my own external drives (about a dollar per gig of storage space), but having a FS-4 style device still means I will be “dumping” the drive when it’s full, something I was looking to avoid by just plugging in a new hard drive to an interface unit.
BTW – I’ve been told by Firestore’s reps that Panasonic is having a say in the set price on this one… I’m hoping that after the camera is out for a few months, either SanDisk will start to make P2 card-like devices, or we can find a more reasonably priced Firestore-like device… or when the Firestore unit for the HVX200 is really released, the price will drop quite a bit from this $2000 mark.
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The press release is now available on the Cow:
https://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=105&postid=854930Does anyone remember what the FS-1 was like when it first came out? Basically it was a small(er) box that you could plug “any” firewire hard drive into (as long as it was FAT32, under 120gb, and the firmware was rolled back on the drive) so you could record to your own drives. This has kinda been replaced by the deck-like FS-2 unit, which is not exactly portable unless you travel with rack units. But they did make just an interface unit at one time… and that’s all we need, and for me, that’s all I want – a tiny interface that can let my hard drive act as a really big P2 card.
I remember Jan saying that the reason we can’t just plug any old hard drive into this thing is because the camera cannot execute the “record” command through the firewire cable that is connecting the drive to the camera… sounds like a fairly easy engineering fix to me since the camera is already built on an operating system technology (Linux based I believe), but since Focus is a “partner” on this one, I think that’s why this functionality has been locked out. (Kinda reminicient of the Sony “InfoLithium Battery Only” problems…) It’s a real shame they did this.
Does anyone know about the possibility of using the USB 2.0 port on the camera to record to an external USB 2.0 hard drive? I doubt it and I’d rather use firewire, but if that’ll work, then it’s better than shelling out $2000… for that price I’d be better off buying a really small traveler lite laptop and record either to the laptop’s internal hard drive or to a drive connected to the laptop via firewire or USB 2.0.
Anyone hear anything on the possibility of using a “DVCPRO HD Rack” similar to the DV Rack software with this camera? That would have to be cheaper than the Focus solution as well.
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(sorry for all the typos in this one, it’s been a really long day and I wanted to share this news with everyone as quick as I could…)
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I can’t see 120fps being possible, but hey, I wouldn’t complain.