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Canon HDV camera records DVCPRO HD as well?
I just read a spec sheet that says “HD video from the Canon XL H1 can be externally recorded in a variety of common HD industry formats including HDCAM, DVCPRO HD, and D5-HD.” Anyone know if this will be over firewire direct to hard drive, or if it will only be available as an HD-SDI output to converter box to hard drive? Does it record to tape then playback an output over HD-SDI (like the Sony FX1 and Z1U)? Does it record to tape only or is this hard drive and/or solid state based at all, even if it’s over firewire to an external hard drive? Any info from users on this forum would be greatly appreciated. I just really want to know the features so I can make my own evaluation and compare costs of all my options.
I still think I’m liking the HVX200 better than this (I’m not really a big fan of HDV and recording MPEG-2 to a tape), but if the camera will record DVCPRO HD and/or HDCAM directly to any old external hard drive without a Firestore style device, then it is something at least worth looking at and exploring.
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Uncompressed 10-Bit 4:2:2 is through HD-SDI BNC connector. So you will have to plug it into something that can handle the a data rate of up to 1.42Gbps, which is no small task.
https://www.bosfcpug.org/beta/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=102&Itemid=58
I m still saving my money for the HVX200.
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Best thing would be to hook up to an HDCAM deck- whose daily rental rate would quickly eclipse the cost of the camera or to a decktop with an HD-SDI capture card like a BMD or a Kona.
Noah
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Ya but if you are spending the bucks to rent an HDCAM deck, you might as well rent a Varicam. The camera has some cool features, but definatly not practicle in most situations
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What they mean in their press announcement is that you can record out the HD-SDI port to a frame based codec, like HDCAM or DVCPROHD. Itis still an HDV camera and the 24F is cineframe not 24P. This camera uses the 1080iHDV codec, I bet.
Best,
Jan
Jan Crittenden Livingston
Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
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Got anything solid on it being Cineframe? I’d have thought that Canon would have learned from the real 24p they did on the XL2?
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects and Standards Conversion for FCP
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There is no mention of real 24p in any of the docs. They say 24 quite often, but never with a “p” next to it. Jan is correct, It does use 1080i HDV.
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So F rather than P could mean that it’s faking P from interlaced video similar to the Sony, or it could be running the chips at 48i and doing a frame mode on them, or it could just mean that it’s getting real progressive frames, but embedding them in a normal 1080i60 HDV stream without any repeat field tags to get better data compression, unlike JVC who use the flags to get 24p embedded in 60p without wasting any extra data.
Until we know which of the above, or if it’s something else entirely…..
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects and Standards Conversion for FCP
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got this from another forum:
do you know the difference between the Sony Cineframe mode and the 24f from Canon?
For all intents and purposes, Canon’s 24F IS 100% equivalent to 24P. The details lie in how the image is read off the CCD. Essentially the hardware configuration of the CCD is such that it can only read the lines off in an interlaced fashion… even if the image is a single frame. The camera records at 1/24th in 24F mode.
I guess both modes deinterlace the footage in some way
No. The Sony CineFrame modes simply drop one field and upsample it to the full frame… This is a crude form of deinterlacing. The Canon solution samples a frame as two fields and recombines them to a full frame. There would be no loss of resolution with the Canon approach.
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Well, if it’s running at 48i, they’d still have to de-interlace? Do they apply interlace filtering or not? Still sounds like guesswork until we get an explanation from Canon or get to play with a camera and footage.
Graeme
– http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects and Standards Conversion for FCP
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For me the bottom line would be- how does it resolve back to 24 frames progressive so it can be put onto to film and how does it look i.e. does it look like filmic motion or the odd effect of CF24?
Noah
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