Bret Williams
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[Bob Flood] “2, i am constantly refering to diane weylands book on FCP and there really is no explanation as to the fact that when you edit a sequence into another sequence, its different from the sequence you have in the bin, or in another timeline, or in yer moms drawers. “
She is completely correct. You misunderstood. You edited a “subclip” of a sequence into a third sequence. FCP considers that a copy and paste function. Had you gone back to the seq in the bin and loaded it into the viewer (like a clip) then edited that into the 3rd seqence all would be well.
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Yeah. Like Avid for example doesn’t have nested sequences. Problem solved. It has nests, but not nested sequences.
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Ok, but that’s NOT what I described. Nested sequences ONLY retain their link to the sequence in the bin when the are edited from the bin into the sequence. So let’s add to the list… copying, duplicating, or “bizzarely dragging a nested sequence within a seqeunce into the viewer and editing it into a third sequence” also breaks the link.
I’m not saying it’s right, but just that the ONLY rule you have to know is that to keep a link to a sequence you have to edit the sequence into another from the bin. Either by dragging or by loading to the viewer (from the bin) and editing into seq.
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[walter biscardi] “Now, the same rule applies to your Sequences you drag from the bin to your new timeline. Once you drop that Sequence (or Nest) from the bin into a new timeline, it’s considered a new piece of “sub media.” by FCP. If you want to make changes to any of the nested sequence in your new timeline, you either want to double click the Nest that’s in the new timeline, or highlight the next and simply hit Return to move it up into the Viewer.”
I think you’re very confused. You can’t edit a nest in a viewer. He’s claiming that the seqeunce he edited into the other sequence doesn’t get updated when he changes elements in the nested sequence, whether it be clips or audio. If you have rendered the nested seqeunce within the other seqeunce it’s true that elements don’t often get updated, but only if it’s been rendered. A simple change to opaccity and back and the sequence updates. Still linked the origninal. Unless you’ve copied or duplicated in some way, which breaks the link.
We understand that adding filters to the nest don’t affect other instances of the nest.
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[walter biscardi] “If you don’t understand how this works, then you don’t understand how FCP overall works. Any clip in a timeline is a “different” version of the clip that’s in your bin or even the clip that’s in the Viewer. Once you understand this, you can really use this feature to your advantage. A typical project for me has about 40 or so nests that are all derived from the original, but are each their own unique nest.”
That is absolutely not how nesting is supposed to work or how it was advertised to work when final cut was introduced and marketed.
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Those methods will create a new instance, unlinked to the original nested sequence.
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Nesting does work if the sequence in the bin is edited into the other sequence by either dragging it from the bin to the new timeline or by opening the sequence in the viewer and editing it into the new sequence.
Any copy/paste functions (copying the seq from bin and pasting to a new timeline for example) or duplication functions create a new instance of the sequence.
Even duplicating a sequence with the nested seqeunce correctly linked breaks the link in the new duplication seq.
Yeah. It’s stupid and seems to have no rhyme or reason. At minimum FCP should warn or ask. Anyone used to AE and precomputes will not be happy.
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Couldn’t you simply sync the audio and video in a timeline, then link the clips as a pair or even a stereo pair, then drag the clip back to the bin?
You could also simply use the sequence itself as a clip.
Two ideas that don’t exist on avid.
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That’s true. If she can capture TC with MediaLog, she can convert to fcp batch lists with Sebsky Tools. ALE to FCP.
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Check out CatDV. catdv.com will get you there. The 5.0 free beta trial works for PC and Macs. You can export a log list to premier, avid, fcp, etc.
It will also load in small thumbnail qt movies onto the laptop. I’ve worked with a producer with this and it was great. She was screening shots while I was editing and finessing the previous shot.
It was nice that she had the little thumbnails on the laptop. Instead of her just saying… “hmm see what take 2 looks like” she could actually look at a small qt of take 2 on her laptop while I kept working.