[Bob Woodhead]

Very simple workflow; solo editors ingest material from camera cards/etc, edit start to finish, using a SAN. In the process of editing, good “archive broll” clips are found & tagged. When edit is done, editor exports/tags/something these clips to a new “all access” clip library on the SAN for future edit broll sources.

The rub is I’m wondering if there’s any solution that would support both, or all 3, of the major NLEs, so that the tagging wouldn’t have to occur pre-edit.

[Bob Woodhead]

Re: Catemo /CatDV – cost isn’t an issue, but workflow is. The situation wouldn’t allow a pre-edit logging assistant.

But, could those apps take, say, a XML export of a NLE bin/keyword collection and somehow make the NLE-added metadata available to other NLE’s? Again, not discussing EDLs/timelines, just clips & metadata.

[Bob Woodhead]

Yeah, with you on that. But the goal would be a clip library, with metadata added post-camera, preferably in-NLE, that could then be shared cross-NLE. Just clips & metadata, not EDLs.

Dream the impossible dream. Can’t we all just get along? Or something like that.

[Bob Woodhead]

OK, I was editing in a student cafe at my daughter’s college when I made the OP, so maybe not the best venue for critical thinking. 😉

Turns out I overlooked the frame rate – the mult clips were set for 24, not 23.98. That seemed to be the culprit in making the mult viewer wonky/smearing/etc.

Also found that, in casual comparison, there appears to be no degradation in image quality when using either a 4K or 1080 multicam into a 1080 timeline, and then scaling the 4K image back up to native size (for a punch-in). So the image processing pipeline appears to go from native file -> final output, without intermediate processing.

Is that your understanding of the process, Noah?

[Bob Woodhead]

Yea, looked into the P2 Viewer app, but it was the same concept as the one from the 1st gen P2 cards; good for copying off cards, viewing clips, but no transcode options.

Codex I think will be released about March for Vari35.

Found that PPro works fine with the 4K right now.

[Bob Woodhead]

[Oliver Peters] “Speaking about audio, there’s no CALM-compliant loudness metering in X.”

Not natively, but plugins like Waves WLM Plus offer LKFS, among other metering specs, and has full AU GUI display in X.

[Bob Woodhead]

[Chris Frantz] ” Being able to turn off waveforms, way faster waveform handling, extending multiple clips at once, disabling video only without a workaround, multiple workspaces, syncing settings across multiple stations in one click, proper integration with a DAW, compositer, logging tool, etc. also assignable colors, multiple tabs, the superior media explorer, full screening any window, way better A/V support, Avid keyboard shortcut defaults, customer support, curves, rapid updates, track mixer, setting master eq’s, scrolling timeline“

Good list! But you’ll see I highlighted the points that I would find useful to me, or are not an issue for me in X for whatever reason. Different horses, as it were. But the ones I like are not trivial.

I think when this thread slows down, I’ll make a closing post that summarizes those things that people have said that would be “pluses” for my workflow. (everyone’s is different!)

Thanks, Chris!

[Bob Woodhead]

Absolutely a strong feature of the suite approach. Always has been. Project link metadata sounds cool & useful when in the thick of making GFX revs.

[Bob Woodhead]

Thanks, everyone! I realized that in my OP I didn’t specify that I’m certainly a fan of, if not exactly an advocate for, FCPX. I say that because I do feel strongly that everyone has their own workflow, criteria, imposed requirements that have more impact in which is the “best” NLE for them, more so than a line-item checklist of all features/limitations combined. And I think that most of the forum would agree.

Excellent points made so far. Anyone else, please chime in. John & David M, yeah, you got me laughing. Very creative answer, JD!

Shane, your PC/Mac point… all it would take is for Apple to piss me off hugely one more time, and that might be a crux argument.

Charlie…. Dynamic Linking, yeah, always liked it, wasn’t a big diff. back when Send to Motion worked. 🙁 Mixer – this surprised me the most about moving to X… I *thought* I was gonna hate not having a mixer, but turns out I don’t. Lots of room for improvement, but not a deal breaker thought it was gonna be.

David P, if you read this, if you’d elaborate just a bit on flexible relinking? Send to Audition. yeah. Me want Send to Logic.

Very interesting so far! Please, if anyone has more, speak up. Not too much interested in the “file exchange” aspects, due to the joy of keeping it all in house. Love hearing about in-the-trenches sort of stuff that makes up 90% of editing. I honestly was expecting more vocal support for “this is SO much better in PPro” kind of reply, but other than a couple of things it’s been more potAto / pohTAHto to my ears.

[Bob Woodhead]

No mention of X integration. sigh