Ben Edwards
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Probably not useful for you but I gave up on Mac and switched to Windows (on same box) and everything worked (after installing latest Nvida drivers and windows service pack 1). This may well be sorted by Adobe in future updates and my box is not massively powerful (i5 3550).
In some ways my posting is a little lazy as I could give it a try (and am going to in a bit) but wanted to find out others experience.
I was also told by Adobe that DNxHD is a 32 codec, the Abode guy said he likes XDCAM.
with DSLR native footage Adobe dose some cleaver stuff so the fact that it is 8 bit does not cause a problem 9I think it up-samples to 10 bits when doing effects etc). I was wondering if Premiere does this for other formats.
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Ben Edwards – Freelance Picture Editor
https://www.funkytwig.comi5 550, Windows 7 / Mac Lion, Nvida 550 Ti, 8GB Mem
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Just to let people know I upgraded the Nvida drivers (and windows installed service pack 1) and it not seems to be working. Thanks everybody, more info at https://forums.adobe.com/message/4614666#4614666.
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Ben Edwards – Freelance Picture Editor
https://www.funkytwig.comi5 550, Windows 7 / Mac Lion, Nvida 550 Ti, 8GB Mem
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[Ben Edwards] “Thanks for that, shame Adobe does not have an intermediate codec.”
[Denis. Adobe] We’re looking into it for the future, but at the moment anything that Premiere Pro understands, you can use as a DI codec if you wish. It is a common request we’re hearing and it’s very valid for some workflows.
Good to here. I realize any can be used as DI codecs but as the Avid one is 32 bit it does not sound ideal. What would you recommend (i.e. what is not log GOP and is 64 bit). Yesterday I started cutting stuff with DNxHD 36, it is better but still does not always play smoothly. Also I did a lot of Audition roundtrips and it kept grinding to a halt (for some reason I had to log out and in again to get PP to restart).
[Ben Edwards] “generally it is possible to work out where bottlenecks are by looking at system utilization.”
[Denis. Adobe]You got it and this is the key! There are a lot of resources that can help. I basically sum it up as this: it’s about BALANCE! Here’s a catch all post from Todd that you can find a lot of articles on performance – https://blogs.adobe.com/toddkopriva/2011/02/optimizing-for-performance-adobe...
I also like looking at specs from PPBM5.com and their Premiere Pro results.
Taking a glance at your specs, I’d say that adding more memory would not go amiss (4GB per core would be a good starting point). A GeForce GPU would also be a great addition especially if you’re on a budget.
Good luck and let us know how you make out.
Dennis – Adobe
Yes, am coming to the conclusion it is the GPU. I have added another 8GB (16GB total) and the most I have used is around 10GB. In terms of PP is the 550 Ti less ‘powerfull’ than the 285 and 480. Is it CUPA cores that matter as the rest of the specs for 550 Ti seems higher than the 285.
Regards,
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Ben Edwards – Freelance Picture Editor
https://www.funkytwig.comi5 550, Windows 7 / Mac Lion, Nvida 550 Ti, 8GB Mem
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Thanks for that, shame Adobe does not have an intermediate codec. Is there one of the camera formats listed in Media Encoder I should use rather than the Avid one (my research seemed to show the Avid one was a good choice, but advice from Adobe would be good on this).
I have previously worked in it (over 15 years) and generally it is possible to work out where bottlenecks are by looking at system utilization. I am not close to maxing anything out (memory/cpu/disk all generally under 25% utilization) so I have no clue which bits to upgrade. This is where the joke about pixie dust comes from. I am currently a student doing a MA so cant afford to waste money on unnecessarily upgrading. I have just upgraded to 12GB and got 2*2TB Barracuda drives and a RAID0 enclosure.
My system is:
Gigabyte GA Z77-DS3H Motherboard
12GB Memory (1600 but cant seem to get it to work over 1333, still looking into this).
Nvida 550 Ti GPU (I know it is not supported but read favorable reviews).
i5 3550 (When I looked at benchmarks it seems to outperform a lot of i7 processors so I thought it was a good choose).I realize to do DSLR and other long GOP formats I need a very powerful machine so thought the intermediate codec was the way to go.
Any advise would be good, you do student discounts so advise on student systems would be good. I did look at the system requirements on the Adobe site for Premiere Pro at https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/system-requirements-premiere-pro.html and I am superseding them all except the GPU bit. Is the GeForce GTX 285, GeForce GTX 470 or GeForce GTX 570 likely to give me significantly more performance.
Is this the type of thing I would be better talking to suport about rather than using forums?
Ben
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Ben Edwards – Freelance Picture Editor
https://www.funkytwig.comi5 550, Windows 7 / Mac Lion, Nvida 550 Ti, 8GB Mem
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Possibly, I guess it depends on what you are trying to play. I seem to of sorted by problems by switching to Windows;). I took delivery of a USB3 RAID0 enclosure which I am going to give a go.
Ben
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Ben Edwards – Freelance Picture Editor
https://www.funkytwig.comi5 550, Windows 7 / Mac Lion, Nvida 550 Ti, 8GB Mem
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Thanks for the reply, what I am finding very difficult is that PP seems to use pixie dust not science. Normally I can see where the bottle neck is and work out what needs upgrading but PP has low CPU and disk utilization and memory is not topping out. Kind of drives me nuts.
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Ben Edwards – Freelance Picture Editor
https://www.funkytwig.comi5 550, Windows 7 / Mac Lion, Nvida 550 Ti, 8GB Mem
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Full spec is i5 3550 (which is supposed to outperforms a lot of the i7s as it is 3g CPU. Ime using the avid DHxHD 35 codec (4.5 MB/s) so thought HD should be be a problem. Currently HD is delivering 85 MB/s. I have done the CUPA hack. Its a 550 Ti.
I am going to get a extra 8GB, someone told me there is no point in going to 24 as I need to double memory to make and difference.
In terms of HD I was going to get a pair of Seagate Barracuda drives but I am woried about there reliability. I have had one die and I have heard lots of thers who have had problems. Also seagate has reduced warrante to 1 year. I am also not sure if it is better to rid0 them or put different things on each.
Regards,
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Ben Edwards – Freelance Picture Editor
https://www.funkytwig.comi5 550, Windows 7 / Mac Lion, Nvida 550 Ti, 8GB Mem
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I am using a eSATA Seagate Barracuda 72000 3TG which is around 80% full. Personally I would avoid fire-wire as compared to eSATA (and probably USB3) it is very slow. The Blackmagic Disk Test shows 85MB/s Read.
DHxHD 36 is around 4.5 MB/s and is a proper editing format so I am very surprised I am having a problem. Maybe I need more that 8GB (Adobe say PP works with 4 and 8 is recommended).
I am bending over backwards to help Premiere (i.e. attempting to transcode into something PP likes).
I am beginning to feel I should of gone the avid route.
Ben
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Ben Edwards – Freelance Picture Editor
https://www.funkytwig.comi5 550, Windows 7 / Mac Lion, Nvida 550 Ti, 8GB Mem
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Sorry, I mean I have ‘NOW transcended everything’, not ‘not transcended everything’
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Ben Edwards – Freelance Picture Editor
https://www.funkytwig.comi5 550, Windows 7 / Mac Lion, Nvida 550 Ti, 8GB Mem
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OK, I have not transcended everything to DNxHD 36 and it does not play smoothly. I have a i5 3550 and 8GB of memory. The disk delivers around 85 MB/s. Do I need to separate disks for this? Odd as I was using Avid on a lower spec box and did not have any problem (cant remember which Avid codec I was using but it was way above 36).
Any idea what is going on?
Ben
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Ben Edwards – Freelance Picture Editor
https://www.funkytwig.comi5 550, Windows 7 / Mac Lion, Nvida 550 Ti, 8GB Mem