Andy Patterson
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[Chris Harlan] “[Robin S. Kurz] “[andy patterson] “How well does Motion handle the bleed and slug area for printing?”
Wow. Rarely seen anyone try THAT hard. ????
”He was speaking ironically. I think that was pretty obvious. Maybe not. ????”
It was obvious to me and that is why I did not respond to this comment. I am surprised you did.
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[Tero Ahlfors] “You need to listen to this: https://soundcloud.com/mixinglight/mail-bag-ep1-part2“
I like the part about grandma’s TV. I like using and Intensity Shuttle and having an old SD CRT monitor for references as shown in the video below. Not that that help with the differences between YouTube, Quicktime, Media Player etc.
[Shane Ross] “I recently onlined and graded a show for a network…2 hour doc. When it aired, the executive producer called me and the producer in a panic. “WHY IS THE SHOW SQUISHED AND CUT OFF!?!?!” The producer was watching it on DirecTV, and I ran to turn it on Time Warner. It looked fine. We asked him what he was talking about. He sent a screen shot. Sure enough, the 16:9 output we delivered was SQUEEZED to be letterboxed for no apparent reason on his TV. We couldn’t figure this out. Now, it wasn’t the CHANNEL that did what he saw, it was his cable providor….because we saw it fine. THE PROVIDOR DID THIS. No clue as to why.”
Was it the provider or was it the zoom and aspect ration of the clients TV setup wrong? I know a lot of people cannot setup their HD TV’s to play old SD TV shows without stretching and squeezing the image but it can be done. The video below might be worth watching at about 10 minutes in. Blu-ray players have all the same options. I see so many people miss match the settings.
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The HP systems on ebay will work. The weak link is the GTX 1050 Ti graphics card. I think a GTX 1060 should be the minimum but a GTX 1070 would be money well spent. I don’t doubt they have some for under $1,000.00 on ebay with a GTX 1060. If not the graphics card can be upgraded later.
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How much would it be for a Sky Lake or Kaby Lake i7 at 4.0 GHZ with 16 GB of RAM and a GTX 1060? Can you get a 250 GB SSD for the OS and a 2 TB drive for the media content? A Micro ATX motherboard should work out OK. I like to have hot swap drive bays. You can get the SSD for the OS and ad a HD later. Do you have a spare HD?
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[Robin S. Kurz] “And you’ll probably de horrified to hear, that even for PPro et al you need an SDK to make Plugins! ???? Motion essentially being FCP’s SDK… without the SDK. But what would you know. Why not tell us how to make effects, generators and transitions for PPro. Oh… right. Oops.”
We are talking about the titling tools of FCPX and Premiere Pro in this thread not plugins or bugs. If you want to start a thread about plugins or bugs for either software program feel free to do so. Having said that you could at this point say “I guess Premiere Pro does have a decent titling system”.
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You can go to Dell or HP and configure an i7 desktop with 16 GB of RAM and a GTX 1060 but here is a system from newegg.com that should work just fine. It only has the 3GB GTX 1060 but it should still work just fine. You might want to watch the video. I don’t doubt there are custom computer shops in you area.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883101534
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Any Quad Core I7 Skylake or Kaby Lake at 4 GHZ with 16 GB of RAM and a GTX 1060 will work just fine. Having said that a GTX 1080 Ti would be even better. You can easily build a decent video editing system for $1,000.00. It might be wise to get an SSD for the OS and HD for the media content. A GTX 1060 will not require an expensive power supply but if you have $1000.00 a GTX 1070 would be money well spent.
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[Tim Wilson] “I say non-pros, because I think that a number of them are following a business model pioneered by Andrew Kramer here at Creative COW before he went into orbit as Video Copilot — skillful hobbyists who use their video tutorials as the springboard to what becomes a very good living. His skills (including his personal charisma) are not replicable (even if the projects, minus the charisma, are frequently copied), but the path he’s shown is true. Skills making Adobe YouTube tutorials CAN turn into a living, which we’ve not seen as broadly with other companies.”
At that point you are not talking about a hobbyist. That my friend is a business.
[Tim Wilson] “Seriously! The idea that hobbyists are cheap is absolutely nonsense.”
I agree that idea is nonsense but who said they were cheap? There are video hobbyist with $2500.00 Custom Less Paul’s and $2500.00 Fender guitars but that does not mean they are going to buy top of the line editing software if something for free will work just fine for their needs. On the flip side some folks will spend $3500.00 on Avid MC, Pro Tools etc and buy a $300.00 Epiphone guitar. It is not about being cheap but how the money is spent.
[Tim Wilson] “Andrew, these prices have been set for YEARS: Resolve free since 2009, FCPX since 2011, CC since 2013, etc etc.”
DR was not what it is now back in 2009. A lot has changed.
[Tim Wilson] “Speaking of which, I encourage anyone who wants to equate hobbyists and “cheap” to spend time with some hobbyist photographers. The money hobbyists are spending is staggering. Easily dwarfs what many pros here are spending on video gear.”
I think that is your bad. I don’t recall anyone saying hobbyist are cheap. Having said that I think you might be considering Marques Brownlee, and iJustine hobbyists. They are professional bloggers. Are there video hobbyist not making money that spend a lot of money on AV gear. Of course. No one has said other wise.
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[Andrew Kimery] “I’m just asking you to tell me what Adobe product was for the little guy years ago when you say Adobe cared about the little guy.”
Were Premiere and FCP not an inexpensive alternative to Avid MC and Media 100 back in the day? Premiere was 100% free more often than not back in the day but I think some legal issues stop Adobe form bundling it with just about every Video Capture card on the market. You could buy Premiere Pro and get Encore, Media Encoder and Adobe Bridge for like $699.99. You could buy Premiere Pro 1.0 and use until you opted to upgrade to 1.5 or wait until 3.0 to upgrade if you don’t need the new features or need the updates. The choice was yours. I have been using Premiere since Premiere 5.0. Not Premiere Pro 5.0. Fast/Pinnacle/Avid’s Liquid would probably be my NLE of choice if Avid did not EOL it. Don’t get me wrong I used to like Adobe’s CS paradigm. I used to give them praise.
[Andrew Kimery] “Is Premiere Elements today not a good option for the little guy? If the little guy is only concerned about price then free DR and free Media100 beat everything. They beat full price DR. They beat FCP X. They beat Adobe. They beat Avid. They beat Vegas. They beat anything that costs money (not matter how much or how little money).”
I am hip to Premiere Pro elements but you don’t see FCPX Elements or DR Elements. Also I have never said they have to have free software. I myself as well as many other think the CC paradigm could be revamped and made more affordable if you only use 2 or 3 programs.
[Andrew Kimery] “Maybe they use Adobe products at work and make tutorials for Adobe products in their free time? Maybe they make movies with their friends who use Adobe products so they do too in order to make collaboration easier? Maybe they chose it because that’s what the filmmakers they follow us? Maybe you could find actual hobbyists themselves and ask?”
Some are going to use the CC. As far as asking a hobbyist or blogger many of them will post in a video that they switched form Premiere Pro to FCPX. If FCPX is less expensive and works better on their MacBook Pro how can you blame them?
[Andrew Kimery] “[andy patterson] “Will Google Docs make MS Office Obsolete? Probably not. Can some people get by with Google Docs. Probably. ”
So MS Office can still be competitive even though it costs way more money than Google Docs? It’s almost as if a product’s value can be important than its price. I agree.”
CC does offer industry standard for graphic design but what if someone only wants Premiere Pro and AE? FCPX and Motion might fill the gap for some people. As stated by many others Adobe could offer any two programs for $9.99 a month, any five programs for $19.99 a month or any 10 Programs for $30.00 a month. For some the integration between 3 or 4 Adobe products would be worth the price. Some would still opt for the free version of DR.
[Andrew Kimery] “[andy patterson] “On the flip side the bloggers who have stopped the CC subscription always mention FCPX is less expensive and does the job. ”
So Apple should make FCP X free so they can compete with free DR?”
Do you want an answer or is that rhetorical? FCPX, Avid Media Composer, DR and Premiere Pro could all be obsolete one day and replaced by Halo Edit 1.0, the world first Hologram based Editing System. As I have stated nobody knows what the future holds. I am saying without the CC paradigm some blogger would have stuck with Premiere Pro.
$600.00 per year is $3000.00 in five years or $6000.00 in ten years. That can buy a lot of audio gear. For a business it is a non issue but most hobbyist must decide with their wallet to a certain extent. Having said that Adobe has some serious competition and even I like what I see from the competition.
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[Bob Zelin] “I take great exception to this statement. I am an amateur musician, and I know lots of amateur musicians. And I see plenty of kids, including POOR kids, that play guitar, drums, etc. And kids into EDM with DJ equipment. That do it for a hobby, do it for fun. And these “toys” cost a lot more than $49.99. If you are serious about your hobby, you find the money to get your toys. If you love making videos, you find that 50 bucks. And when you own DR, or Media Composer First, or Lightworks, or Media 100, or an old copy of FCP 7 that someone gave you, you still need a computer, you still need drive space, and that costs more than 50 bucks.”
I agree but it is a straw-man because of competition they might opt for an Epiphone over a Les Paul. Yes a young person might get a free Mac Pro form 2010 with FCP7 given to them and use it until they can get something better. By not buying into the CC they may in fact be able to opt for DR and also get the Les Paul to make their own music videos. What I am saying is Premiere Pro is expensive for the average blogger compared to FCPX and DR. Can someone please post a counter argument that address that issue rather than posting a straw-man that has nothing to do with my comments.