Andy Patterson
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[Walter Soyka] “[andy patterson] “No one just drops everything in the timeline. It is viewed first and placed where it needs to be. ”
Au contraire…
https://library.creativecow.net/article.php?author_folder=ubsdell_simon&art...”
I don’t doubt what has been added to the timeline in the article has been viewed and placed accordingly as oppose to literally highlighting 175 video clips, 85 images, 26 voice overs and 28 sound files and just drop them into the timeline willy nilly. Once the content is methodically added to the timeline areas can be marked with ranges.
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[Tyler Blank] “Also Andy,
Would you say eBay is a trusted place to buy a PC from?
What are your thoughts?”Ebay should work out OK but the system I posted at newegg is not bad either. You can add an SSD later. Go with a real cheap HD for you OS is you are that tight for money. Or just get 8GB of RAM for now. RAM you can upgrade yourself later. Just try and think of a way to make it work for less than $1,000.00. As I stated the cheap Micro ATX cases and motherboards should work. With a GTX 1050 any $30.00 power supply should work. Go to a couple of custom computer shops and layout a few options for them.
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Even if 10 different people use FCPX all ten may go about editing different. One person posted they color grade all the clips up front. That is not something I would opt to do. Is FCPX more like karate and Premiere Pro more like Judo? Metaphors and analogies are OK but sometime they can lead to even more equivocation.
[Simon Ubsdell] “From what I have seen, there are editors who approach the timeline with extreme caution and who seemingly won’t venture there unless fully armed with everything they can muster.”
I agree.
Even though I use Premiere Pro my editing paradigm can shift from project to project. I am always looking for better editing methods. There are some cool feature in FCPX that look nice as well as DR. There are cool things about Premiere Pro as well. Regardless of your choice of NLE they will all get better and better and our editing methods will probably continue to evolve as new features are added.
[Simon Ubsdell] “I’m not right and you’re not wrong. I’m just someone who’s very interested in the psychology of editing so many thanks to all of you for your endlessly fascinating opinions.”
What works for some may not work well for others. An editing contest might be interesting. I think we could all learn something new about our own NLE as well as what the competition has to offer.
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[Scott Witthaus] ” I also might find that one clip that screams to be the first or final shot in the program. Or a look, or a laugh…I would rather find it then, than waiting to discover it on a long timeline.”
I think there is definitely some confusion. No one just drops everything in the timeline. It is viewed first and placed where it needs to be. There is organization on the timeline. If you notice something funny or unusual you can simply add a marker to it. The markers metadata is searchable. You always have the Master Sequence or Master Rough Cut to see what you have used or if you want to replace something. You may have the Master Sequence (all usable video) then Edit 1, Edit 2 edit 3. Don’t get me wrong I am not saying keywords and smart collections are not a good way to organize the media. I think it can be useful.
[Scott Witthaus] “I do the “combo-platter”. I log, grade (as in favorite, keyword, etc) all footage before starting, then throw all the favorites on the timeline and start “sculpting” from there.”
Why would you grade all the footage if some of it might not make it to the final edit?
[Scott Witthaus] “I teach my students this way: get to know your material by logging and grading, then get something on the timeline and start working with it.”
Shouldn’t you show them your method but at the same time let them know there might be a more efficient way of working? I say that because Avid, FCPX, DR and Premiere Pro will all get better and we may all have a paradigm shift in another two years from now regardless of which NLE we use. Having said that I am not going to color grade every clip first.
[Scott Witthaus] “The inspiration comes from the work, not sitting there staring at an empty timeline waiting for some great idea to pop into your head”
I don’t know of any editor that would simply stare at a timeline. I think we all agree the footage must be viewed and some form of organization has to be done. I don’t agree that grading has to be done upfront. I think an editing contest would help to find out what techniques and methods actually work best. Remember many people thought Chinese Kong-Fu was the best form of martial arts until the UFC proved that to be false. Some thought Aikido was the best form of martial arts but the UFC proved that wrong as well.
Once again I think FCPX is a good program but I think even people using FCPX will have a different method to their madness. Perhaps if you and I had an editing contest I would adopt your method of color grading all footage first but I would have to have proof that it is more efficient before adopting a new technique or method.
The UFC = Ultimate Fighting Championship
The UEC = Ultimate Editing Championship
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[Tyler Blank] “Apple is all we use in school to edit Adobe Premiere with and it seems to work just fine. I heard they where very stable to use?”
You heard wrong. Apple computers can break down and probably do more so than PCs. You cannot service a Mac yourself.
The local computer shop should be able to build 10 computers each week with the same specs you gave us. Go to a different computer store and tell them what you want. It should be a simple process.
You want an i7, 16 GB of RAM and a GTX 1060. Having said that a GTX 1050 will work if money is tight. A 256 GB SSD for the OS and a 2 TB HD for media would be wise if you can afford it. I say get hot swap drive system if you can.
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[Tony West] “I’m trying to imagine someone cutting the highlights of the baseball game and they drop the entire 3 hour game in the timeline.”
I am trying to imagine that as well. What would be the point?
[Tony West] “Knowing that the foul tips and guys stepping out of the box and back in the box and adjusting their batting gloves aren’t going to stay anyway.”
Those unusable parts would not need to be on the timeline.
[Tony West] “Search up to the HR drop it down, RBI drop it down and so on works for me.”
I don’t doubt that way does work great for you. In Premiere Pro you can create a separate timeline of home runs and a separate timeline of RBIs. You could also just use markers to separate them within the same timeline. The choice would be yours. There would be no time spent on keywords but their would be organization and a sense of time. For example 2 minutes of RBI and 1 minute of home runs. Perhaps you would have clips of the sports fans doing silly stuff. I have never edit a sports highlight real so I am not going to say one paradigm is better than the other. I think FCPX is a good program but I think it would be cool to have an editing contest between the two paradigms. I think one paradigm might be better for some projects and the other paradigm might be better for other projects.
[Tony West] “They just haven’t done an effective job of selling it to me or some others”
I don’t doubt that because I think there may be merit to both editing paradigms and everyone needs to use the method that works best for their projects. As I stated having a contest between the two editing paradigms might be enlightening for everyone. I wanna be hip : )
[Tony West] “You aren’t sold on our way either so we are even.”
I don’t think anyone has to change their editing methods. I will say that I can see the roles feature of FCPX being useful but I can also see tracks being useful. I like the key-framing in Premiere Pro but I also like how Fairlight is now part of DR. Can one editing program be the best solution for every project? Probably not. Having said that I have no need to make any FCPX user switch to Premiere Pro. FCPX for $300.00 is a good deal and should work just fine.
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[Richard Herd] “I know you’re swamped. But a tutorial video would be awesome. Thanks!”
A tutorial from both FCPX and Premiere Pro would be nice but an editing contest might be even better. Maybe the folks here https://www.lafcpug.org could do it.
They could provide clips, VOs and images that neither editor has seen and have them edit it on the fly while a few guest speakers talk. It seems like something that should have been done by now. They could output the computer screen of each editor to a projector while the guest speakers are talking. After the guest speakers are done let the two editors explain their techniques and thought process. They may not get a completed edit but it would be interesting to watch. Tutorials are nice but usually edited so that things can seem more fluid than they really are.
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Not the best specs but it should work OK.
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There are several ways to create masks in Premiere Pro and they all have bug issues.
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