Andy Patterson
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[Shawn Miller] “[andy patterson] “The spelling is irrelevant.”
Not when you say things like this [andy patterson] “You kind of messed up a tad bit there didn’t ya?””
What good does using a straw-man do? I didn’t fault you for your spelling.
[Shawn Miller] “[andy patterson] ” I don’t need to know anything about martial arts nor did Jim Brown when they hosted the first UFC.”
Jim Brown didn’t make a faulty analogy based on a subject he didn’t know anything about AFIAK.”
Where is the faulty analogy? As stated I am not saying Avid is like boxing or FCPX is like jodu. There are martial artists that think their technique and fighting style are the best. There are editors that insist their NLE and technique are the best. You may have read more into it than what was there. I think maybe you really like martial arts and are taking things way to serious. As stated Jim Brown could easily see when a fighting style did not work. It would not matter if he spelled Judo correctly or not.
[Shawn Miller] “[andy patterson] ” I am saying many martial artists feel their form of martial arts is the best and that there technique is the best. We know this because they were all interviewed at the first UFC.”
And, as I’ve said, this isn’t a common mindset among experienced martial artists, and it hasn’t been for a long time. You might have to have more exposure to the subject than television interviews to know that though.”
Did I ever say all martial artist feels that way today? No I did not. In fact I have stated just the opposite. I have stated the UFC fighters today see the merits of Judo, Boxing karate etc. Prior to the first UFC many martial artist felt thier fighting style was the best and that their technique was the best. The UFC is what made people realize boxing, judo and karate all had merit. Very few people watching the first UFC had heard of BJJ. After the first UFC people like myself and Jim Brown became aware of what BJJ had to offer. Grappling became very popular and very respected. That is the only point I have made thus far and that point is correct.
You claim I need to have more exposure to the subject than television interviews? Wrong! You need to actually comprehend what I have written and respond accordingly. The UFC changed the way we view different fighting styles. The Ultimate Editing Championship might change how we use different editing techniques.
[Shawn Miller] “[andy patterson] “The Ultimate Editing Championship might shed some light on what methods really work the best.”
For an editing contest… sure. I’m not sure what useful methods might be exposed for every day work though.”
Every time someone posts a link to Thomas Groove Carter editing people are in awe. I am not in awe because I know it is a dog and pony show he has done time and time again. I am not saying anyone will change the way they edit but they may see some feature in another NLE that could be useful or at the very least realize all the NLE will work. Would one NLE be better for certain projects than another? Probably.
[Shawn Miller] “[andy patterson] “What I stated is 100% correct.”
I doubt that you could be convinced otherwise!”
What is incorrect about the UFC showing what fighting techniques work and what ones do not work? Did the UFC not force the fighters to appreciate and adopt other forms of fighting?
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Not bad but I have always liked this : )
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[Richard Herd] “I’m also a wrestling folk style wresting referee. For me, UFC is a joke of a “style.” It needs some kind of standing 8 count so the referee can control the action. Right now it’s either let someone get pounded or call the fight preemptively.”
I liked the old school UFC with no time restrictions. You either won by knockout or tap out. I like the fact that 8 men entered the octagon but only one man leaves as The Ultimate Fighter.
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[Shawn Miller] “I really didn’t. BTW, its Kung-Fu or Gung-Fu… not Kong-Fu… ☺”
The spelling is irrelevant. I don’t need to know anything about martial arts nor did Jim Brown when they hosted the first UFC. I am saying many martial artists feel their form of martial arts is the best and that there technique is the best. We know this because they were all interviewed at the first UFC. Obviously BJJ proved to be effective. Over time the fighters mixed up elements of boxing, karate, judo wrestling etc.
Many editors think their non linear editor of choice is the best and that their technique is the best.
The Ultimate Editing Championship might shed some light on what methods really work the best. I think like the UFC it will be a combination of different techniques and if truth be told some NLE might have a slight edge over other NLE for certain tasks.
What I stated is 100% correct. Don’t be upset if I don’t now anything about karate or judo because I don’t have to nor did Jim Brown. We know from the first and second UFC that some techniques were not effective while others were. The sport has defiantly change since UFC 1 and 2.
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[Shawn Miller] “[andy patterson] “It is one thing to have a Kong-Fu or Aikido practitioner practice wrist lock and deflections with friends in the dojo. However when they enter the real world the wrist locks and deflections do not work as they has practiced. In fact it does more harm than good.”
LOL – that’s a bit like saying that you can’t produce high end work using FCPX because casual users aren’t capable of producing great work with it. I think you should pick a subject that you’re more knowledgeable about to make your points. ☺
Shawn”
For starters I was not comparing FCPX or Adobe to any type of martial arts. That my friend is your bad. I am saying that everyone thinks there editing paradigm is the best and that their NLE is the best. Martial artist think their style is the best an their technique is the best. I always say there are cool thing about FCPX, Avid, Premiere and DR. You kind of messed up a tad bit there didn’t ya?
Nothing I posted would suggest FCPX cannot be used for high-end work. I think people might think you have a hard time grasping analogies. Having said that just simply owning FCPX does not guarantee that the user can produce a major motion picture with it. That might have been the better way to word it and more accurate.
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[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “Once again I think FCPX is a good program but I think even people using FCPX will have a different method to their madness.”
My method has nothing to do with FCPX. I did the same thing in Avid, FCPLegacy, DS and Premiere.”
I didn’t say your method had anything to do with FCPX. In fact I have posted several times if you have 10 FCPX editors they may all do things slightly different.
[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] ” I think an editing contest would help to find out what techniques and methods actually work best. Remember many people thought Chinese Kong-Fu was the best form of martial arts until the UFC proved that to be false.”
I have no idea what you are talking about. It’s like having artists having a “painting contest”.”
Actually I think we could all learn a thing or two.
[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “Why would you grade all the footage if some of it might not make it to the final edit?
”Read my post. Grade, as in favorites, reject, keyword. Giving a “grade” to each shot, not color grading.”
Sorry. I seen grade and thought it was color grade. My bad but only slightly because I am not sure you always have to grade by way of reject, favorites or make use keywords.
[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “Shouldn’t you show them your method but at the same time let them know there might be a more efficient way of working?”
Been at this for 36 years. I have tried a lot of strategies. They can discover that if need be. But I find my way the most efficient way I have tried, so that’s what I teach.”
Once again ten FCPX editors could all do things slightly different. Everyone will think their method is the best. As I sated new features will be added making us constantly evolve our editing process. Keep in mind FCPX did not have all the metadata it has now when it first launched. Keywords, keyword collections projects etc have changed over time. I don’t doubt your method is very good. I say teach it. I would just always let the students know that things change and they should always be looking out for new editing paradigms. That is all I was hinting at. You didn’t edit like you do today 36 years ago using 3/4″ tapes. Things will evolve and change requiring a paradigm shift. Having said that I am not sure you always have to grade (as in favorites and rejects) or always add keywords. I think most of the time that would be helpful and FCPX does a good job at it.
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It is one thing to have a Kong-Fu or Aikido practitioner practice wrist lock and deflections with friends in the dojo. However when they enter the real world the wrist locks and deflections do not work as they has practiced. In fact it does more harm than good.
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[Bill Davis] ”
And having the database in X available to range select, tag and subsequently retrieve those golden moments – as and when they are needed – has been the single most transformative and efficient change in my workflow in the past 25 years.”Databases are not exclusive to FCPX nor did Apple invent the database paradigm. Apple also did not even event keywords or keyword collections. That was implemented into Adobe Bridge long before FCPX. Having said that the competition is getting better and better and it is free. I am not saying DR is better than FCPX or Premiere Pro. I am saying it is free and I like what I see. All editing systems can make use of metadata and databases as of 2017. Does FCPX have better metadata capabilities than the competition? Will FCPX have better metadata capabilities than DR in the year 2019? Just for the record Premiere Pro shows a thumbnail even in database mode.
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[Herb Sevush] “From file cards on a cork board to smart bins – if it helps the editor to absorb and remember everything they have to play with, then it’s good”
I tend to agree. At first it might seem a tad bit prehistoric to use use file cards but what if it proves to be very efficient?
[Herb Sevush] “I think the most important thing an editor can do is become totally familiar with all of their elements. If that means logging, bin sorting, key words and note taking, fine. If it means string outs and multiple timelines, fine. A combination of both, fine.”
I tend to agree. I don’t think it is one or the other. I think both paradigms have merit. I am not going to bad mouth FCPX or pretend Premiere Pro is perfect. On the other hand I don’t think any NLE is perfect at this point in time. Is it possible DR will implement metadata that surpasses FCPX and Premiere Pro? Who knows? All I can say is that in another ten years we may be editing halograms with microprocessors embedded in our brains making everything thing we know about editing thus far seem prehistoric. Will Google introduce Halo Edit 1.0 in the year 2026? Who knows? I just know things will evolve.
[Herb Sevush] ” As always, the most important tool for an editor is time.”
My editing system allows me to alter space and time : )