Andy Patterson
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Tony, I am not saying there are not cool features in FCPX. I am saying Fast Multimedia (sold to Pinnacle then sold to Avid) had background rendering and GPU acceleration long before anyone else. One could claim Canopus had GPU acceleration about the same time as FAST Multimedia because the Xplode Transition were GPU accelerated. Let’s be honest GPU acceleration is kind of cool. I also think Randy was using Adobe’s Bridge and simply ripped of the idea of keyword collection and favorites from Adobe. That question would be worth asking.
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Or is this place a lot less fun that it used to be? Seems to be dominated by people that don’t actually use or particularly like FCPX and those that do are increasingly not posting.
[Walter Soyka] “If you read the history of this forum before you arrived, you’ll find a lot of people have criticized FCPX baselessly. You’ll also find discussion around Quick Sync and Liquid and a great many other topics.”
The original post was talking about things as of now not in the past. I cannot comment about the past.
[Walter Soyka] “I love reading about people’s workflows, I love discussing the emerging trends and technologies that affect our industry, and I love discussing the theory behind how and why we do what we do. Not every thread needs to rehash this tired NLE platform war.”
I agree that there is no need to have NLE wars. I like discussing new technologies but I think some FCPX users want to live in an imaginary world where Apple invented Keyword Collections, favorites, background rendering, 64 BIT, GPU Acceleration etc. I cannot give Apple credit when it is not warranted. I am very impressed with what BMD has done with DR. Having said that Premiere’s upgrade at NAB was kind of weak in my opinion.
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[Steve Connor] “Or is this place a lot less fun that it used to be? Seems to be dominated by people that don’t actually use or particularly like FCPX and those that do are increasingly not posting.”
I find that comment very strange. I see people bad mouth Premiere Pro for having old laggy code base, a cringe worthy GUI, and antiquated titling system. I don’t see people badmouthing FCPX in the same way. I see Premiere Pro users say FCPX is a good program but I don’t see a lot of the FCPX users saying Premiere Pro is a good program. I know someone posted about the awesome render times of FCPX and I had to educate everyone about Intel’s Quick Sync. There were programs for the PC that used Intel’s Quick sync before FCPX used it. What can I say I was not that impressed that Apple wrote code for Intel’s Quick Sync. Now that people are hip to Intels’ Quick Snyc they are worried that the Xeon CPU of the iMac Pro may not make use of Intel’s Qucik Sync since Xeon based CPUs usually don’t have that feature. I don’t think there are a lot of people that hate on FCPX. I think the problem is that to many people want to glorify FCPX when it is not needed. I also think some of the FCPX users want to badmouth Avid and Premiere Pro when ever possible. Having said that don’t confuse honest criticisms of a product as hating on the product.
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[Steve Connor] “[andy patterson] “If FCPX had been released back in 2001 it might be worth glorifying but that is not the case.
”In your, Premiere Pro glorifying, opinion”
When do I glorify Premiere? Please name one time. I think you made a boo boo. Having said that I bad mouth Premiere Pro more than I bad mouth FCPX. Learn to accept reality.
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[Bill Davis] “What makes you think the documentary is about “defending” anyone’s use of anything? Maybe it’s actually about what the director has always publicly said it’s about…an examination of how people confront and manage technological change.”
We can tell from the trailer what to expect. Interviews of people who use FCPX. What is the point? Would you want to watch a movie about Premiere Pro editors telling you why they think Premiere Pro is the cat’s meow with a side order of awesome sauce?
[Bill Davis] “What might be REALLY crazy is if people would just be patient – look at the work when it comes out – and THEN judge it based on what it actually IS – rather than what everyone is pre-assuming what it will be when it finally arrives.
Wait … that kinda make me think about something that happened six years ago…”
What exactly happened six years ago? I know at the FCPX key note they said FCXP was innovative, amazing revolutionary. Will the movie ask Randy questions like, why did it take FCPX so long to catch up to Fast/Pinnacle/Avid? Randy did not invent GPU acceleration for NLE. He also did not invent background rendering. Don’t you want to see a documentary about FAST/Pinnacle/Avid? While Fast Multimedia did do some cool and innovative things I would like to think the Canopus Corporation did as well. Don’t you want to see a movie about Hiro Yamada and the Canopus Corporation? To me FCPX is a NLE. It is not a pioneer in digital video editing like the Newtek Video Toaster. Having said that a documentary about the Video Toaster might be cool. How come background rendering wasn’t cool back in 2001 when the Fast Multi Media Red, Silver and Purple systems did it? What about Fast/Avid Liquid making use of the GPU long before FCPX. Don’t you want to here an interview from the people who implemented GPU acceleration long before Randy did? I don’t think you care about innovation in the word of video editing. Instead I think you want to glorify Apple when ever possible even if it is not needed. It is great that you were using FCPX from day. I almost think you expect a reward or at the very least a pat on the back but keep in mind, some people could not use FCPX back in 2011.
I hope they mention for some people the lack of multi-cam, 3rd party video capture cards and closed captioning (among other things) made FCPX unusable for certain workflows. Having said that FCPX has come along way. If FCPX had been released back in 2001 it might be worth glorifying but that is not the case.
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[Tim Wilson] ” Mac folks may not care, or may argue vigorously that they don’t want 4K touchscreens or wider aspect ratios, or brighter screens, or any of the many other things that represent the state of the art. I do.”
I find it odd that people hype up the release of new Apple products. Some people even thank Apple. Why? Do people thank Lenovo, Asus, MSI or Dell every time they add new hardware technology?
[Tim Wilson] “Apple used to. It’s why I built my business on Macs for over 20 years. It’s also now why I can’t ever imagine using one again. I’ll be as happy as anyone else if they surprise me by just catching up, much less pulling ahead again….but I’ll be surprised to be surprised, too. ????”
Apple computers work they just are not innovative. OS X is still using a Windows 95 paradigm.
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[Oliver Peters] “Building a a DIY machine is fine, but obviously you are forgetting the value of your own labor.”
I like building my own computer just like some people like building choppers. As far as picking out the parts I usually just get the least expensive RAM module that will work with my system. For the card reader I just got the least expensive. It is all good. A lot of the computer parts and brands are actually made by the same vendor.
I have been using that same case for over 8 years. I never buy all the parts all at once either so it is really super inexpensive for me.
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[Shane Ross] “As a member of the creative market, I’d rather they release another MacPro tower with slots for drives and GPU and IO cards…”
Something like what you see below? Instead of making what you want Apple forced you to opt for a hackintosh. I am a big fan of expansion slots and expansion bays. If Apple did make a generic ATX computer for $1100.00 with a Core i7, GTX 1060 and16 GB of RAM and call it the Mac Basic I bet it would sell a decent amount. I know Apple will not do it because Apple likes to confuse people with their mythical Apple Magic : )
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How much was it and what are the specs?
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[Tony West] “[andy patterson] “There are editors that insist their NLE and technique are the best.”
I think I will disagree with your actual point here. There is a difference between “preferring” one NLE over another (we all do that) and a certain “technique” over the other (we all do that also).
I’m not claiming X is the best, I’m saying I prefer it.”
You and I as well as most editors are open minded but their are some that think their NLE and technique is the best. I would say it is a small monitory of editors that are stuck in that way of thinking.
[Tony West] “[andy patterson] “Every time someone posts a link to Thomas Groove Carter editing people are in awe. I am not in awe because I know it is a dog and pony show he has done time and time again.”
That’s a good opportunity for your editing championship challenge. Carter is showing his efficiency cutting a spot in X. You could take sections of his video and make your own performing the same tasks and showing how your way is more efficient than his pony show.”
All I am saying is he is familiar with the footage. If you had several editors with content they had not seen before would and Avid editor finish first? Would the Avid editor finish first but perhaps the the DR editor has a better end result? Keep in mind their is technique and the NLE of choice. I found it interesting that one post production house uses index cards. It may be very efficient. Perhaps other people could use it in their work flow if they seen it first hand.