Depressing. Footage in Premiere/VLC looks VERY different in Quicktime/Vimeo/Youtube

[Chris Wright]

I can’t promise this will work for you, but many people have had luck using this LUT I made for youtube.

64 cube iridas lut for burning in darker 16-235 from 0-255 for youtube upload. it darkens image, then youtube re-lightens again.
https://f1.creativecow.net/10598/fixmyyoutube

note:
it doesn’t work with adjustment layers directly
you have to use it in the dropdown for the export in adobe media encoder. or you can NEST it first.
its a premiere bug. also it needs to be copied in both premiere-lumetri-technical and adobe media encoder-lumetri-technical

[Tero Ahlfors]

You need to listen to this: https://soundcloud.com/mixinglight/mail-bag-ep1-part2

[Jim Elliott]

I think one of the complicating issues is that I have a brand new MacBook and a brand new monitor, both are p3 wide gamut. Am I better of working with an sRGB color space? There seems to be a lot less difference between, say, quicktime and premiere in sRGB than the same 2 programs with the P3 wide profile

[Chris Wright]

premiere can’t color manage. it shows rec.709 in preview, render, and mercury transmit. you can use a p3 to rec. 709 LUT if you wish.
the internet is sRGB or basically rec. 709 0-255 with gamma 2.2. in this way, they are exactly the same. until you use a LUT, I recommend setting your monitor to sRGB. most video players can’t play p3 except madvr

[Jim Elliott]

Thanks, setting to sRGB does bump up the saturation of the quicktime/safari/chrome etc family, and brings it closer to the vlc/premiere colours, but I am wary that this is kinda false and that it won’t help the fact that this will encourage me to make less saturated videos … which is the problem for clients.

Im concerned about the new apple displays, mine included. Previous video projects now look very over-saturated in Premiere/VLC/firefox (which look almost exactly the same as eachother), and other players (quicktime, iPhone, iPad, chrome/safari Facebook/vimeo/youtube, Instagram) look comparatively desaturated (all very similar too each other though). This creates a very big problem going forward … If I colour-correct my videos to look good in Premiere (as before), my videos end up looking washed out on iPhone/chrome/safari/quicktime/instagram… I would have to grossly oversaturate in Premiere (at least thats what it looks like) to get an acceptable video in all those other formats. It’s all very depressing.

I didn’t have this problem on my 2012 Mac. I have checked on it again recently and although there is maybe a slight difference between premiere/VLC and quicktime/iphone etc … its like somehow on the new 2016 displays the differences between those groups are exaggerated due to the super-saturated-ness of whatever is making Premiere/VLC/firefox read the videos in that way.

2 days ago I handed a video to a client I have worked with for a long time producing similar videos, and they commented how desaturated and lifeless it looked compared to usual. This has never ever happened before. The video the client complained about was in the pic below, the one with the woman at the bottom. What you see here is a ‘corrected’ version. In premiere (left) I’m slightly more saturated than I would like, but it resulted in something the client was more happy as they (and all their customers) will watch the video with the players from the middle column (which still looks a bit yellow and anaemic to me. As for Firefox vimeo, compared to chrome/safari Vimeo … wow, just, wow…

[Shane Ross]

When I color correct a broadcast show, I use my calibrated broadcast monitor. That way I know it’s the best that it can get. You are making the best that you can get. HOW OTHER APPS PLAY THAT BACK IS OUT OF YOUR CONTROL! Just like how various broadcast outlets like DirecTV and Comcast and Time Warner compress it for delivery is out of my control. And how people’s TVs at home are set up are out of my control.

I recently onlined and graded a show for a network…2 hour doc. When it aired, the executive producer called me and the producer in a panic. “WHY IS THE SHOW SQUISHED AND CUT OFF!?!?!” The producer was watching it on DirecTV, and I ran to turn it on Time Warner. It looked fine. We asked him what he was talking about. He sent a screen shot. Sure enough, the 16:9 output we delivered was SQUEEZED to be letterboxed for no apparent reason on his TV. We couldn’t figure this out. Now, it wasn’t the CHANNEL that did what he saw, it was his cable providor….because we saw it fine. THE PROVIDOR DID THIS. No clue as to why.

But the point is, that you have control up to a point…and all you can do it make it look good when you deliver. How various players play that back, how it’s compressed by YouTube or Vimeo, or Apple…is out of your hands.

I will say that I like the way QT plays it…she was a tad to orange for me…

Shane
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[Chris Wright]

you could trick this lut generator with a png shown in safari, screenshot it and use it for the “modified” png. should interpolate the lut transform.

https://generator.iwltbap.com/

[Jim Elliott]

My current thinking is that I will replace my LG ultrafine monitor (P3) with an sRGB monitor. That way, hopefully I won’t get massively over-saturated videos as there won’t be such a need for colour management

[Chris Wright]

here’s a p3 to rec. 709 lut i made. some people say it helps.

https://f1.creativecow.net/9882/p3-to-rec-709-x64-iridas-cube

[Jim Elliott]

Thanks! What exactly does this do again? And how to apply?