Hey Jim,
Before I start, GREAT thread, and a hugely important issue — thanks for bringing it up, as this has been bothering me a long time. I appreciate and share your attention to detail, as well as your pursuit to figure out the logic here. You didn’t deserve the pompous replies, and while those individuals may have had something technically useful to offer, they didn’t do a good job thoroughly explaining what’s going on, if they indeed knew at all. I read this thread a couple weeks ago, have done a lot of experimentation between then and now, and would like to add something hopefully useful to this discussion.
The point I’d like to make is that I can confirm Avid — as well as DaVinci Resolve — both share what you’re seeing as an issue in Premiere. Given all 3 of these major post-production professional softwares override your computer’s monitor Color Display Profile setting, it’s reasonable to conclude that this is happening on purpose, as all 3 softwares are forced to keep in mind that their outputs may go to broadcast television. I also frequently work with MAJOR color houses, and the same washed-out look happens… so I know it’s not their software or settings that are the problem.
Can you imagine how many careers would end if outputs going to broadcast TV looked horribly off or got totally rejected from airing if these post-production machines didn’t default to something more TV-friendly where the standards are strictly enforced and criticized?
Do this test and see what you think:
Open up the Vimeo app on an AppleTV connected to a proper TV that you’re happy with and see how that looks to you. I have a Sony Bravia whose color I’m quite happy with in its everyday performance. When I go to look at those very videos on Vimeo that I wasn’t happy looking at on my computer, I’m pretty happy with the result. I can’t confirm how close they are, but they’re close enough that I’m less nervous at seeing them there than I am when I see them on my computer screen, especially before I switch it’s profile from the default iMac setting to the same sRGB IEC61966-2.1 setting that Philip Henry mentioned in May 2018 that seems to work best.
If someone here has a TV they’re happy with that’s close to their computer monitor for comparison, that would be greatly helpful.
FCPX’s color interpretation might look right to you, but it’s also a Mac product that might recognize how to show something on your Mac computer. But it’s also possible that FCPX isn’t an adequate professional program and is actually submitting something that’s incorrect. I don’t know.
But I’d like to know!