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Why we will be choosing PremierePro over FCPX
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[Greg Andonian] “So now you can meet with someone at Starbucks and have a tall White Chocolate Mocha while you’re there, and feel good about the fact that you were able to spend time with a friend over coffee instead of spending more money to fix another one of your NLE’s glaring shortcomings… “
It is an absolutely imaginary world, where you don’t need to buy third party plugins. Nothing is perfect, even Adobe products.
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[Ievgenii Larin] “It is an absolutely imaginary world, where you don’t need to buy third party plugins. Nothing is perfect, even Adobe products.”
How many AE artists don’t have any third party plugins?
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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AE is the engine – the third party plugins are the wheels…
Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
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[Joseph W. Bourke] “AE is the engine – the third party plugins are the wheels..”
Perhaps that’s how we can describe FCPX then?
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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Hi Greg,
some replies:
“Premiere Pro does have this, but it doesn’t work well for formats that are based on a “folder structure”. During the demo of the next version that I saw, someone brought this up, and we were told that they are working on it- and after seeing all the major improvements that are comming in the next version, I can say very confidently that I belive it.”
FCPX already has it, just without handles, in any format. So I wouldn’t consider Premiere much better here, from what I’m hearing…
“In Premiere, you just right-click the clip in the timeline and go to Properties, and it comes right up.”
Sorry, but I can’t get this. In FCPX, you have to right-click a clip, and select: Reveal in Event Browser. OR, you click it, and do the shortcut I said. It’s THE SAME AMOUNT of steps as in Premiere (2 clicks OR 1 click and a shortcut). Why do you think Premiere’s way is better?And you complain about shortcomings of FCPX, some of which are rectified with a 4 dollar app (on a 300 dollar NLE, btw…), but you never complain that for instance, in Premiere you can only have one sequence open? And I don’t know if this still is the case, but even if it isn’t, this was the case FOR YEARS.
You complain about Apple having something in the first 2 years of a completely new program, but Adobe has had some issues for YEARS and YEARS before they did anything about this.
I like the way Adobe communicates with their user base, and no one can deny they have been doing a lot of things right lately, but when you get to the gist of it, I don’t think Adobe is so much better than Apple. -
Steve –
To a certain degree, I guess you could describe FCPX that way. I’m sure you’ll find arguments on both sides as to whether FCPX should have tape-ingest capabilities, or (pick your favorite missing feature)…
The one thing with After Effects is that there is so much functionality already built in – keying, motion tracking, many special effects, color correction – that at certain levels of production it’s all you need. But I hear people complaining all the time that the audio manipulation capabilities stink. Which, to a certain degree they do – that’s why there’s Audition. With Adobe, the Creative Suite becomes the monster toolkit which no other software developer offers.
That said, I’d be lost without Magic Bullet Suite, Trapcode Suite, MB Effects Suite, Newton, and a few others which don’t immediately come to mind. It’s not that I couldn’t achieve many of the results with just AE, it’s that it’s so much faster, and that third-party functionality pays for itself, in many cases, with one project.
Joe Bourke
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[Franz Bieberkopf] “I think you’re still building a false dichotomy.
“But it’s not a dichotomy at all. It’s a FACT that the range of assets we all have to manage are expanding hugely. Practices that were niche like multi-cam and the pervasive ability of nearly every citizen to recah in their pockets and shoot video at a moments notice are altering how the world interacts with video.
So asking if a core function of an NLE built for the modern world might be to incorporate tools specifically designed to deal with THIS fact, is a valid separator.
Heck, other NLEs do media management as well. And an excellent argument can be made that the success of CatDV and many other DAM systems indicates that the wide video market also values these attributes like never before.
All I’m arguing is that when the engineers at Apple re-designed FCP-X – they elevated these capabilities to front and center in their basic editing product.
I just don’t see X’s competitors doing the same thing.
Yes, you can build systems that not only do the same thing, but do it on a larger scale with X’s competitors. But that meets the needs of particular classes of users who need or want to invest in a larger production infastructure.
The ONLY tool I know of that gives an individual editor access to tools with which to learn modern computerized asset management in an inexpensive, accessible tool is FCP-X.
If you know of others that do the same, I’m happy to hear about them.
Or if you disagree with my contention that media asset management will be increasingly critical as our industry progresses, then make that case.
But again, that’s not a dichotomy in my view – it’s just looking at the real world and reacting to it.
Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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[Joseph W. Bourke] “That’s the flaw with all of the back and forth here (for the most part). Each and every argument is based upon what each particular poster thinks should be the standard for everyone else, based on their standard…”
I agree with this.
But it also indicates that the next smart bit of useful business intelligence for NLE manufacturers is to determine which classes of users are on the ascendence, and which classes of users are on the decline.
I’d argue that the trend is NOT toward more, larger facilities – it’s toward fewer larger facilities. Yes, there will be exceptions, and the best of the large shops will, hopefully, thrive. But the global trend in media creation been been decentralization and, arguably, resource starvation, at pretty much all levels. If that assessment is correct, it’s smart to try to figure out what tools you can deploy personally, in a world where there might be fewer shops to around that can provide one with that career-long seat.
I know it’s scary. But I think it’s also real.
Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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[Gary Huff] “That’s always the rallying cry of the early adopters and it never really seems to give them a leg up over the competition.”
Okay, Gary – then what DOES give anyone a leg up in this era when major players are shutting their doors in droves?
Editing is in stress.
VFX is in stress.
Today’s hot reality show shop, seems to be one cancellation away from becoming a ghost town driven over the edge by relentless bean counting and an inability of anyone in the executive ranks to care about anything other than extracting the largest possible amount of money from every single transaction in which they participate.If you do it for nothing and work your ass off, I’ll ALLOW you to help me out on my project, and maybe give you a credit during on-screen time nobody watches anymore – world.
So I’m listening, what’s the formula if NOT trying to re-program our brains to look at some of our same old tasks differently?
Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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[Mathieu Ghekiere] ” in Premiere you can only have one sequence open? And I don’t know if this still is the case, but even if it isn’t, this was the case FOR YEARS.”
No, that isn’t true. It’s always been possible to have multiple sequences open in Premiere (even in pre CS versions)… maybe you’re talking about projects? In that case you’re correct, you can’t open multiple projects at a time. You can however import sequences from different projects, I believe it’s been that way since CS4.
To be honest, I don’t really see this as a limitation, it’s just the way Premiere operates. I may be biased though, as most of my other tools only allow one project to be open at a time (Realflow, MoI3D, Mocha Pro, etc.).
Shawn
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