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Sure hope this place stays relevant…
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I tend to think that FB is part of the issue. Or twitter or wherever. It’s simply a better engine and interface for all this sort of thing. A one stop shop for all your groups, politics, fake news, friends and fake friends. I can mix my Cub Scout pack convos with my FCPX group alerts. And all with a cleaner, easier to share media (like videos and images) friendly interface. The cow forums aren’t in competition with FB groups. The cow is in competition with FB.
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You said “there’s hostility here”. I don’t go on other FCPX or editing forums except a FB group here and there And no I don’t feel that way.
Do people that do, yes most of peers. What can yo do?
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[Bill Davis] “You guys might not see this type of things a ton here – because the general tone of respect fox X has totally flipped in this forum from where it was a few years back. But out in the wild, it’s DEFINITELY still a virulent strain that continues to be spread.
The big difference is that where here some years back the pushback came from very few of us, this time that post was met with a pretty massive pushback with a cadre of well experienced X editors working on large pro projects in multiple countries weighing in quite forcefully.
“I find that comment VERY disrespectful to us experienced FCPX Editors who post on here
No we don’t get that on here and the “cadre” of just as well experienced Editors on here who work on “large pro projects” would push back just as hard if someone did.
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[andy patterson] “Having said that what about the BS in the video link below from an editor who should have known better. I proved that to be false!
“Are you going to mention this in EVERY single post you make???
[andy patterson] “Premiere Pro does not seem to bother you so why are you so concerned about FCPX? It seems like favoritism to me.”
I know someone who does exactly the same thing for PPro, he even makes videos about it 🙂
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[Neil Goodman] “You said “there’s hostility here”. I don’t go on other FCPX or editing forums except a FB group here and there And no I don’t feel that way.
Do people that do, yes most of peers. What can yo do?”
Invite 100’s (if not10’s of thousands of people) to participate in an online discussion and there are bound to be some people that are jerks. It’s just the nature of the beast. The weird idea some users have that X has somehow been singled out is baffling to me. In forums, Twitter, FB, etc., I follow FCP, Adobe and Avid and each user community has it’s share of helpful and less-than-helpful users.
Go outside of editing and you see the same thing. Mac/PC, Chevy/Ford, Gibson/Fender, iOS/Android, Xbox/Playstation, Craftsman/Snap-on, Coke/Pepsi, etc.,. Post-purchase rationalization… it’s a thing, and the relative safety and anonymity of communicating online empowers some people to be hostile in a way that they wouldn’t be if communication face to face or over the phone.
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[Bill Davis] “Maybe so much constant X hostility in the forum – and constant billboard posts featuring anything but X – has sunk into the markets consciousness and come home to roost.”
Remember, there are only a few dozen “active” users here and their roles are well known. I would hardly take this as true data.
My bookmark is now on the FCPX Techniques site, where there are real users with real questions. I link here from there. Maybe this forum should be shut down as (a) there is no longer any debate and (b) not much about FCPX except from the usual suspects and the other NLE discussions can retire to the proper sites.
.My humble opinion and I now wait for Tim’s 12 paragraph blistering response! 🙂
Scott Witthaus
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[Scott Witthaus] “My bookmark is now on the FCPX Techniques site, where there are real users with real questions. I link here from there. Maybe this forum should be shut down as (a) there is no longer any debate and (b) not much about FCPX except from the usual suspects and the other NLE discussions can retire to the proper sites.
. “Clearly not reading the forum much Scott as there is plenty of debate on here, there is always talk of FCPX and this IS the proper site for debating NLEs
As for shutting the forum down it would be a lot simpler if all the people whingeing and moaning about the content here just stayed away and left us all to it.
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[Steve Connor] “As for shutting the forum down it would be a lot simpler if all the people whingeing and moaning about the content here just stayed away and left us all to it.”
Sounds like a grand idea.
Scott Witthaus
Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
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[Scott Witthaus] “[Steve Connor] “As for shutting the forum down it would be a lot simpler if all the people whingeing and moaning about the content here just stayed away and left us all to it.”
Sounds like a grand idea.”
Although, to be fair, the FCPX “Techniques” forum is just now the FCPX forum so it wouldn’t be out of it’s remit to have FCPX user discussions there as we used to on the old Final Cut Pro Forum
I also think it would be fine to rename this forum “NLE Debates” or something similar to more accurately reflect what it is, but Tim’s “da man” on this one and he’s made his thoughts clear on the subject 🙂
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One thing I’m seeing is more and more posting on Facebook. TONS MORE than here or any other forum…even the official Avid or Adobe or Apple sites. More there than anywhere else. And that bothers me for one reason above all…
Those posts do not show up in google searches.
People googling their issue will hit Creative Cow posts from 7-10 years ago that solve their issue. Or just a few weeks ago. Some discussion happens and a solution is found and someone else has that and searches and BOOM, there you go. But Google doens’t index Facebook forums, so no search results from there. And that means that the same question gets asked again and again and again more than ever before. And we can’t say “Google it,” because they do, and don’t get anything because it’s all on facebook. And searching on FB isn’t all that intuitive.
That’s my major gripe.
Shane
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