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Sure hope this place stays relevant…
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In general, it’s fun to read the many perspectives on FCPX and see that for many folks it’s been a very successful NLE solution for them.
However, if any of the estimations of user numbers are to be trusted, the NLE marketplace is currently dominated by Adobe CC and FCPX is a niche player much like Media100 was many moons ago. So with lower numbers of users it would then make sense that there’d be a reduced number of forum posts overall.
There may also just be FCPX debate fatigue. I don’t think most folks here are considering moving from one system to another since it’s now been several years since the issue arose. The sifting out of the marketplace has happened and people have their tools and everyone seems to be doing well with whichever system they have chosen.
Personally I just like to keep up on new developments within each of the major NLE’s. But without the acknowledgment that each system has it’s merits and that each will serve an editor well the conversation gets dull quickly.
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[greg janza] “However, if any of the estimations of user numbers are to be trusted, the NLE marketplace is currently dominated by Adobe CC and FCPX is a niche player much like Media100 was many moons ago. “
Niche??? Two Million seats isn’t niche!!!
https://9to5mac.com/2017/04/26/final-cut-pro-x-sales/
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[Bill Davis] “Maybe so much constant X hostility in the forum – and constant billboard posts featuring anything but X – has sunk into the markets consciousness and come home to roost.”
Many of the threads talk about X but this is not an X exclusive forum. We have told you this several times already. Not to mention the fact that two Cow users constantly post video links about minor bugs in Premiere Pro (fixed bugs) in threads that have nothing to do about bugs. Their posts do not add anything to the conversation and it certainly does not bother you if people bad mouth Premiere Pro relentlessly. I could post YouTube videos of FCXP crashing because of bugs but what would be the point? There is a lot of hatred towards Avid and Premiere Pro but that certainly does not bother you. If anyone talks negatively about FCPX with honest criticism that bothers you but if someone out of ignorance bad mouths Premiere Pro or Avid you are OK with it. Once again this is the FCPX Debate forum not the Glorification of FCPX forum. Please learn to deal with it. As other have said there is a forum at the Cow dedicated to FCPX. You have no one to blame but yourself if you keep posting in the wrong forum or expect the FCPX Debate forum to change into the Glorification Of FCPX forum.
https://forums.creativecow.net/fcpx
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[Bill Davis] “I feel that’s due to a combination of relentlessly lingering hostility expressed here”
I don’t see this anymore..where’s the hostility towards X? I see people discussing the merits and pitfalls of X, but hostility? Where?
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There is a FCPX Facebook group and it is largely focused on question for new users of FCPX. Basically, does anyone under 30 use forums? I learn a lot from the two Cow X forums, may they live on an prosper. For me, the choice ship sailed long ago, when I invested the time to learn FCPX. Since I don’t spend all my time editing, the possible benefits of learning a new editing program have to be weighed against the time required to learn to be efficient in it.
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How about this (which I will copy/paste anonymously) from a last Wednesday post in a big forum with lots of X users…
“FCPX is just simply a joke”
And
“FCPX is an excellent NLE for wedding videos and your Instagram, but a professional workflow in professional environments? Not so much.”And it was posted by a young post professional who really should know better, not some noob.
I think that’s pretty clear evidence the BS keeps flowing.
Or do you see things this way, Neil?
You guys might not see this type of things a ton here – because the general tone of respect fox X has totally flipped in this forum from where it was a few years back. But out in the wild, it’s DEFINITELY still a virulent strain that continues to be spread.
The big difference is that where here some years back the pushback came from very few of us, this time that post was met with a pretty massive pushback with a cadre of well experienced X editors working on large pro projects in multiple countries weighing in quite forcefully.
Just sayin’
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It sure seems like criticism comes fast and furious in the online world so why even try to mitigate it? The responsibility for convincing the professional video world of the legitimacy of FCPX falls squarely and solely on Apple’s shoulders.
And I’d argue that Apple has a larger issue starting to brew within the professional video world which is the abandonment of Apple altogether due to the delayed release of hardware that entices professionals to stay “in the fold.”
I Hate Television. I Hate It As Much As Peanuts. But I Can’t Stop Eating Peanuts.
– Orson Welles -
[Bill Davis] “How about this (which I will copy/paste anonymously) from a last Wednesday post in a big forum with lots of X users…
“FCPX is just simply a joke”
And
“FCPX is an excellent NLE for wedding videos and your Instagram, but a professional workflow in professional environments? Not so much.”And it was posted by a young post professional who really should know better, not some noob.
I think that’s pretty clear evidence the BS keeps flowing.”
Please provide a link to what you a referencing.
Having said that what about the BS in the video link below from an editor who should have known better. I proved that to be false!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcnXFhTC1k&t=876s
[Bill Davis] “You guys might not see this type of things a ton here – because the general tone of respect fox X has totally flipped in this forum from where it was a few years back. But out in the wild, it’s DEFINITELY still a virulent strain that continues to be spread.”
People have hate and hostility towards Avid and Premiere Pro but that does not bother you.
[Bill Davis] “The big difference is that where here some years back the pushback came from very few of us, this time that post was met with a pretty massive pushback with a cadre of well experienced X editors working on large pro projects in multiple countries weighing in quite forcefully.”
What is your point? Many world class (perhaps self proclaimed) FCPX users bad mouthed the titling system of Premiere Pro. I proved that to be false. False information about Premiere Pro does not seem to bother you so why are you so concerned about FCPX? It seems like favoritism to me.
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[Bill Davis]”How about this (which I will copy/paste anonymously) from a last Wednesday post in a big forum with lots of X users…”FCPX is just simply a joke” ”
What keeps this forum relevant is that it has very little of that sort of low calorie trash opinion. You get the same sort of blanket agro diss at forums for all the NLE makers or on Facebook. What I like about this forum is that generally people are open to actual debate rather than closed mind mouthings. So if you want this forum to stay relevant then continue to engage with an open mind and genuine interest in all NLEs.
If FCPX posts are not so populous then maybe it’s because the other NLE makers are releasing more interesting developments at the moment.
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[Claude Lyneis] “There is a FCPX Facebook group and it is largely focused on question for new users of FCPX. Basically, does anyone under 30 use forums? I learn a lot from the two Cow X forums, may they live on an prosper.”
Actually there are half a dozen public FCP X Facebook groups and probably that many private ones that you might get an invitation to join if you exhibit expertise and a willingness to share it via contributions in the public ones.
The largest public one I visit is heading towards 30,000 members.
FWIW.
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The shortest path to FCP X mastery.
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