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State of the NLE panel
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[andy patterson] “we have seen many FCPX users say FCPX is way easier than all the other old antiquated NLE.”
Yeah, I would make the argument that for example clicking on that “noise removal” button in X is easier than completely doing it yourself in 7 do you disagree?
[andy patterson] “That is why I found it odd that someone need to be taught how to use a super easy NLE that I was lead to believe everyone just picks up super easy.”
They would still need to be shown where that button is. Or that there is one.
Scott teaches people X for a living so he is speaking from experience. When you teach people X are you finding that they are picking it up fast? Or are you speculating what you think might happen?
[andy patterson] “I do think Pinnacle Studio is easier to use than Premiere Pro for home hobbyists”
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[Tony West] “Scott teaches people X for a living so he is speaking from experience. “
The idea of “teaching X” is to get the students the basic ideas and up and running quickly. This is where I see the learning uptake so much quicker than FCP7. So many fewer questions and problems. To scaffold onto that basic learning, they have the Lynda.com FCPX Essentials class as a graded assignment that is to be completed within the first three weeks of the semester. This way, each student should be at a base level of knowledge.
[Tony West] “When you teach people X are you finding that they are picking it up fast?”
I don’t think Andy has said he teaches X, only has recently begun to play with it.
Scott Witthaus
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Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
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Drive by potshot only Oliver. It would appear Davis will forever on some level require it. You need to keep a certain man down.
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[Tony West] “andy patterson] “we have seen many FCPX users say FCPX is way easier than all the other old antiquated NLE.”
Yeah, I would make the argument that for example clicking on that “noise removal” button in X is easier than completely doing it yourself in 7 do you disagree?”
Would you disagree Premiere Pro 6.0 is better than Premiere Pro 1.0? I would hope FCPX is better than FCP 7. Premiere Pro 6.0 is much better than Premiere Pro 1.0 but that does not mean Premiere Pro 6.0 is better than FCPX. Are the marker options in FCPX better and easier to use than the marker options DR? Is the key-framing of FCPX easier and better than Premiere Pro CC. Those are the kind of questions you should be asking.
[Tony West] “Scott teaches people X for a living so he is speaking from experience. When you teach people X are you finding that they are picking it up fast? Or are you speculating what you think might happen?”
I never stated I teach FCPX. I did state that if I taught Premiere Pro to Scott’s students and Scott taught Premiere Pro to his students the teaching experience for the students would probably be very different. Do you agree with my statement? If so why?
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[Scott Witthaus] “[Tony West] “When you teach people X are you finding that they are picking it up fast?”
I don’t think Andy has said he teaches X, only has recently begun to play with it.”
Not recently. I have been using FCPX from day one but not as an editor. I have used my friends system many times to test out FCPX. Having said that I have moved out of state and no longer have access to my friends system. I have recently purchased a Mac Mini but I still have not had time to download FCPX. I will buy FCPX as soon as I get some free time.
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[andy patterson] “Those are the kind of questions you should be asking. “
No they are not.
Your point was that X wasn’t easier to for people to learn than other NLE’s. But you haven’t taught anybody X to even compare like others have.
My point is that you are speculating vs people who have actually done it.
[andy patterson] “I never stated I teach FCPX”
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[Tony West] “You don’t have any experience in what you are talking about.”
Speaking as someone who does have experience teaching students various NLEs, I would have to say that it isn’t cut and dried. The last group of film students I taught was divided into two segments, so I opted to teach X to one group and Premiere Pro to the other. This was a three week course. At the end, I would say that it was roughly equal as to who “got it” and who didn’t. I think some people are simply predisposed to think in a way that jives better with either FCPX or a more traditional track-based NLE.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Oliver Peters] ” At the end, I would say that it was roughly equal as to who “got it” and who didn’t. “
My point was not who knew what at the end of my (15 week) semester, rather how quickly the students picked up FCPX at the start versus when I taught FCP5-7. In other terms, the technology gets out of the way quicker with X and allows them to focus more on sotrytelling.
Scott Witthaus
Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
Professor, VCU Brandcenter -
[Oliver Peters] “I think some people are simply predisposed to think in a way that jives better with either FCPX or a more traditional track-based NLE.”
I think it has more to do with how effective you are at teaching. Some people may be better at it than others. I know it was that way when I was in HS : )
I saw the same results as Scott so we are likely going about things differently.
Based on your posts on here, your tagline could easily be “FCPX, it’s OK, but nothing special”
I on the other hand come in with a great deal of enthusiasm. Talking up the program big time.A person said to me, “Your enthusiasm for the program makes me excited about learning it”
That was awesome. She pretty much put my theory into words.They were all levels, but many were talent that had just been doing simple cuts with 7 for their packages and handing off to the editors for anything more advanced. When I left they were tweaking their audio and tossing in motion graphics. Some of them never felt comfortable doing much of that before.
The client told me, “You aren’t just grading them, they’re grading you.” I received high marks : )
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[Tony West] “I on the other hand come in with a great deal of enthusiasm.”
I had more enthusiasm for FCPX in the early days. But that’s waned after 6 years of using it. I think X is a good tool to have and in some cases the ideal tool for the job. In my view, it’s great for ‘slapping stuff together quickly’, but clunkier when it comes to finessing your final product, compared with the competition.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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