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State of the NLE panel
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[Brian Seegmiller] “The faster way I move markers in FCP X is to right click on the marker and choose “cut” and then move my skimmer where I want it and choose “option+v” and paste the marker. It would be better to just move it by clicking and dragging, but it is not a deal breaker.”
I here ya. FCPX is a good NLE but as with any NLE improvements could be made. I find it easier to do key-framing in Premiere Pro. Some (not all) FCPX would lead you to believe “every thing” is ten times easier and better in FCPX.
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[andy patterson] “Should you be talking up FCPX big time?”
Yeah, it’s awesome. If you don’t believe in the product you maybe shouldn’t be working with people to transition to it. I wouldn’t want somebody helping me who didn’t believe in the product. People for the most part don’t like change. They want to know there is a payoff to make the change worth doing.
[andy patterson] “If you worked for a real estate company three years ago”
ahahahaha I’ll stop you right there. I kind of just deal with my REAL LIFE scenarios.
[andy patterson] “markers were not as robust as what you see in the video below”
Brian already took care of this so I won’t rehash, but even if he hadn’t, you gotta do better than markers to get me to go back to tracks.
I like R14, and if it weren’t for X it might be my pick, but I’m not going back : )
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[andy patterson] “I don’t doubt if I taught Premiere Pro or even DR at the college level the students would pick it up fairly easy.”
It’s not rather they would pick up Pr easy, it’s would they pick X up easier.
[andy patterson] “Some people do have brand loyalty that can lead to a biased evaluation.”
You’re not like that though right? It’s those others.
It’s just kind of funny to me. When X came out and people looked at the preferences they said it was too slimmed down and simple. It was attacked for being too simplistic. “Toy-Like”. Now it’s apparently as detailed as any other NLE. Flip Flop.
I look forward to the video.
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[andy patterson] “I will have a video soon showing what the old antiquated and cringe worthy GUI of Premiere Pro can actually do. I think you will like it. “
Was I mistaken or did you post a video on the Premiere Cow forum calling the CC2017 version of Premiere the “worst NLR ever”?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQWXq7KpxBQ
Part of this thread: https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/3/993352#993387
Or has this opinion changed?
Scott Witthaus
Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
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[Tony West] “[andy patterson] “I don’t doubt if I taught Premiere Pro or even DR at the college level the students would pick it up fairly easy.”
It’s not rather they would pick up Pr easy, it’s would they pick X up easier.”
We would have to test it out to know for sure.
[Tony West] “[andy patterson] “Some people do have brand loyalty that can lead to a biased evaluation.”
You’re not like that though right? It’s those others.”
Considering I have made more negative comments about Premiere Pro than FCPX I highly doubt you could call me biased. Calling a spade a spade is not being biased. Having said that you are more than welcome to find me making the claim Premiere Pro is the most amazing software ever created and how often do I say Premiere Pro is easier to use the DR, Avid or FCPX? I have never made comments like that.
[Tony West] “It’s just kind of funny to me. When X came out and people looked at the preferences they said it was too slimmed down and simple. It was attacked for being too simplistic. “Toy-Like”. Now it’s apparently as detailed as any other NLE. Flip Flop.”
Don’t live in the past.
Flip flop? I don’t think that is the case.
If you did a simple six camera political talk show for the networks or local cable back in 2011 FCPX might not have been the best bet. FCPX lacked 3rd party hardware support, closed captioning and multi-cam. Back in 2011 FCPX 11 lacked a lot of features but people knew it would get better so there is no flip flopping. BMD’s DR has also gotten a lot better. Will it have 70% of the market by 2020? Will those that used DR since 2012 be bragging about using since 2012? I hope not. People who mocked DR as an editing platform in 2012 have no bearing on DR in 2017. Do you see my point? Premiere got badmouthed in the past as well. Having said that if you edit VR videos for clients Premiere Pro might be a better option than FCPX. For the above talk show scenario with no sound effects the features demoed at 17:50 might be of no use. I can see where a trackless paradigm could be useful but then again so can VR and perhaps even holograms one day. I think FCPX is a good program but when it was first released it was not the best option for a lot of workflows. Can you admit that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaeux3cGtQo
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[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “I will have a video soon showing what the old antiquated and cringe worthy GUI of Premiere Pro can actually do. I think you will like it. ”
Was I mistaken or did you post a video on the Premiere Cow forum calling the CC2017 version of Premiere the “worst NLR ever”?”
I used hyperbole and I will do it again in this post. Let me know if you can spot it this time. Also I think that video might be focused on track matte bugs not the GUI. Having said that Premiere Pro can be quirky but FCPX crashes.
Just so you know I am using hyperbole at full force below : )
The video below proves FCPX is the worst NLE ever and it also has an antiquated GUI!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36oRS78ig4
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[Tony West] “[andy patterson] “If you worked for a real estate company three years ago”
ahahahaha I’ll stop you right there. I kind of just deal with my REAL LIFE scenarios.”
And I am saying for some people FCPX might not be the best option. Many people clam FCPX does everything better faster and easier than all the other NLE. I don’t see Avid users or DR users making that claim.
[Tony West] ”
Brian already took care of this so I won’t rehash, but even if he hadn’t, you gotta do better than markers to get me to go back to tracks.I like R14, and if it weren’t for X it might be my pick, but I’m not going back : )”
I think you are missing the point. I am not suggesting you give up FCPX and start using DR or Premiere Pro. What I am saying is very simple. If you do VR editing or use closed caption FCPX might not be the best option. If you do a lot of key-framing FCPX might not be the best option. Will DR edit holograms before FCPX? Will it benefit you? That is my point. I say everyone will use what works best for their needs for some it might be FCPX and for others it might be DR.
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Very entertaining chat. Thanks for posting.
It seems as though this topic almost immediately sinks into quicksand on this forum due to people’s fervent beliefs that one NLE is better than another. But with the exception of Bill (no surprise there) the panel made it pretty clear that if you’re a professional editor working on a variety of projects the only thing that really matters is the end product. How you get to that end is irrelevant.
We’re now in an age of NLE platform agnosticism, with the obvious exception of Apple’s FCPX. And down the road that may end up being one of the major roadblocks to FCPX’s larger adoption.
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