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State of the NLE panel
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[Winston A. Cely] “Others are just interested in a class that looks fun, or want to get into TV journalism, or want to act as opposed to being involved in post.”
With that in mind, FCPX is perfect. However, Resolve might also be something to look at.
Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[andy patterson] “I was able to do basic editing in FCPX right form the start.”
have you ever taught NLE so you can compare? I
[andy patterson] “Didn’t you have to teach him. Can’t anyone teach someone how to use Avid or Premiere Pro?
“I can TEACH anyone how to edit on any NLE. My point was the LEARNING seemed to come faster/easier with less problems on X. That’s my real-world observation.
[andy patterson] “Are you saying DR and Premiere Pro are hard to use?”
No, I am saying from my observation, FCPX is easier to learn (for the new editor).
[andy patterson] “Can I ask what other programs you have purchased for personal use with your own money?”
Why does this matter?
Scott Witthaus
Owner, 1708 Inc./Editorial
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[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “I was able to do basic editing in FCPX right form the start.”
have you ever taught NLE so you can compare? I”
We have had this discussion before an the answer is yes. I taught people how to use the Avid/Pinnalce Studio. It was a class for hobbyists.
[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “Didn’t you have to teach him. Can’t anyone teach someone how to use Avid or Premiere Pro?
”I can TEACH anyone how to edit on any NLE. My point was the LEARNING seemed to come faster/easier with less problems on X. That’s my real-world observation.”
If you have a love for Apple and resentment for Avid and Premiere that might be a key factor. I am not saying that is the case.
[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “Are you saying DR and Premiere Pro are hard to use?”
No, I am saying from my observation, FCPX is easier to learn (for the new editor).”
I think there would be Premiere Pro users that could say the same about Premiere Pro. I myself would not say Premiere Pro is easier or harder than Edius, FCPX, DR etc. I have never had a problem doing basic editng with any software based NLE.
[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “Can I ask what other programs you have purchased for personal use with your own money?”
Why does this matter?”
It matters a lot. If the only NLE software you have purchased was made by Apple it means not matter what Apple makes (good or bad) you will use it and champion it. People that have purchased 3-4 different NLE have no brand loyalty and can have more unbiased opinion.
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[Tony West] “[Neil Goodman] ” I still can’t picture kids in school who want to work in Editing doing all this training because it’s their dream to do travelogue videos or snapchat stories”
I don’t either. What I hear them say, is they want to make their OWN independent films.”
For sure, but eventually they realize they need $ to fund those films ☺
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[Neil Goodman] “but eventually they realize they need $ to fund those films ☺”
They do indeed Neil, but there are some really cool things happening out there.
They four wall and cut deals with small theaters. They use social media to drive free attention to their films and sell with Brown Paper Tickets or something like it.
I have seen it in KC, Indiana and Augusta.
I wasn’t aware of any of it until I started screening and speaking with owners.
I’m fascinated by it.
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[andy patterson] ” People that have purchased 3-4 different NLE have no brand loyalty and can have more unbiased opinion.”
This is absolute crap. So anyone that does not pay for an NLE, their opinions are to be ignored? Or we automatically assume they are biased? So the folks here who work at facilities where the NLE is bought for them have no valid opinions? How about the free version of Resolve? Those of us with that have no valid opinions at all? Not sure how much experience you have or how long you have been in the business, but $299 for a piece of software is NOTHING in comparison to what we used to pay for NLE software. Let’s not get started in the cost of a linear bay. To say that $300 bucks (a few hours of billable time) will buy people’s loyalty is ludicrous.
[andy patterson] “I taught people how to use the Avid/Pinnalce Studio”
How long ago was that?
[andy patterson] “I think there would be Premiere Pro users that could say the same about Premiere Pro. I myself would not say Premiere Pro is easier or harder than Edius, FCPX, DR etc. I have never had a problem doing basic editng with any software based NLE. “
I base my statements on real-world observation while crossing over from one software to another.
[andy patterson] “If you have a love for Apple and resentment for Avid and Premiere that might be a key factor. I am not saying that is the case.
“But you just said it. I have no resentment for Avid or Premiere. I did a lot of work and made really good money on Avid projects in the past. It’s just not a player any longer in my area. Premiere does not suit my professional needs as well as other programs. Simply my preferences.
Scott Witthaus
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[andy patterson] “It is odd that someone would need help using FCPX. “
Shouldn’t you have written, “it’s odd that someone would need help using any NLE
Since your point is that they are all equally easy. Your statement implies that X is easier which is the opposite of the point you were trying to make.
But then again I guess that would have setup this contradiction………..”I taught people how to use the Avid/Pinnalce Studio.” You shouldn’t have been teaching them that, because you said they shouldn’t need help. Right?
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[Tony West] “[andy patterson] “It is odd that someone would need help using FCPX. ”
Shouldn’t you have written, “it’s odd that someone would need help using any NLE
Since your point is that they are all equally easy. Your statement implies that X is easier which is the opposite of the point you were trying to make.”
Keep in mind I don’t really see Premiere or Avid users stating their software is much easier to use than FCPX. I think you would agree we have seen many FCPX users say FCPX is way easier than all the other old antiquated NLE. That is why I found it odd that someone need to be taught how to use a super easy NLE that I was lead to believe everyone just picks up super easy. It sounded like a contradiction to me.
[Tony West] “But then again I guess that would have setup this contradiction………..”I taught people how to use the Avid/Pinnalce Studio.” You shouldn’t have been teaching them that, because you said they shouldn’t need help. Right?”
Where did I make contradiction? Also I don’t believe I said anything close to what you posted above. If you could post a link to where I stated Pinnacle Studio is so easy no one would ever need help learning I would appreciate it. I do think Pinnacle Studio is easier to use than Premiere Pro for home hobbyists. I myself can do basic editing on any NLE but it takes time to learn all the quirks and features of each NLE.
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[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] ” People that have purchased 3-4 different NLE have no brand loyalty and can have more unbiased opinion.”
This is absolute crap. So anyone that does not pay for an NLE, their opinions are to be ignored?”
From what I have seen in these forums I would say yes because they are on the clock and don’t really get to grasp all the features and nuances of the software. When I see people say I use FCPX because it kicks booty but I also have to use Premiere Pro at work I don’t take the info all that serious. When I see a FCPX loyalist compare FCPX to Premiere Pro I always see them put FCPX in the best possible light while trying to make Premiere Pro seem much harder than it actually is to use. I feel like I am watching a 3 year old play with crayons. If you spend your own money on software you are probably going to try to make it work well.
[Scott Witthaus] ” So the folks here who work at facilities where the NLE is bought for them have no valid opinions?”
Some yes and some no because of my previous comment. Also some people may have Premiere Pro at their work facility but it does not mean they are proficient with Premiere Pro. I also think some people might not be 100% honest about how well they know Premiere Pro, Avid DR etc.
[Scott Witthaus] “Not sure how much experience you have or how long you have been in the business, but $299 for a piece of software is NOTHING in comparison to what we used to pay for NLE software.”
Money is not the issues. Having said that I am hip to the Matrox Digisuite, Fast Red, Purple Silver, Media 100 etc. Having said that I edited on a Trinity Play, Avid and DPS system back in 1996-2004. I used the Avid when working for the City OF Detroit’s Media Center but I did teach the Water Department how to use their Trinity Play system and I did edit on the Cable Commission DPS system one time but that is irrelevant. If need be I can edit using a switcher and analogue tapes. I can also slice film and do stop motion animation (Our school had an Oxberry and Steenbeck) but once again that is irrelevant but you did ask about my experience. If truth be told I can direct, technical direct, operate CCUs, cameras, audio board, CG etc. As of now I work at an A/V rental house.
[Scott Witthaus] “Let’s not get started in the cost of a linear bay. To say that $300 bucks (a few hours of billable time) will buy people’s loyalty is ludicrous.”
I never said anything about the costs. Learn to comprehend what I actually. I am saying if you lay down the money for any software it means you probably like the product and are going to give it a fair shake as opposed to editing on the NLE at work.
[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “I taught people how to use the Avid/Pinnalce Studio”
How long ago was that?”
The year is irrelevant but I think it was 2002-2003. I taught the Water Department how to use their Trinity Play in 2001 and taught the Cable Commission how to do some cool things on the DPS system in 2001. I fogot about those days.
[Scott Witthaus] “[andy patterson] “If you have a love for Apple and resentment for Avid and Premiere that might be a key factor. I am not saying that is the case.
”But you just said it. I have no resentment for Avid or Premiere. I did a lot of work and made really good money on Avid projects in the past. It’s just not a player any longer in my area. Premiere does not suit my professional needs as well as other programs. Simply my preferences.”
For those that have only purchased FCP and FCPX it lets me know they have brand loyalty. They are going to use Apple products no matter what. They are not interested in what the competition has to offer. I am always interested in the competition.
All I can say is I liked our Avid. I liked the Water Departments Trinity Play System and the Cable Commissions DPS system (they also had Avid’s and a playback gear that would rival a commercial station) I am not saying I think Premiere Pro is better than FCPX but I think perhaps you would agree that if you taught your class how to edit using Premiere Pro and I taught your class how to edit using Premiere Pro it would probably be a very different experience for the students. That is kind of my point. If truth be told I would probably prefer to teach DR if I were a teacher because it is free and works on both Mac and PC. Also DR 14 was a big upgrade.
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