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Spatial awareness and memory recall
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[tony west] “when I’m shooting something I’m shooting it for the edit. I’m cutting it in my head as I’m shooting it.
I never want to get back to the edit without having what I need so I’m thinking about what I need while I’m shooting.”
This is exactly the way I work. Could it be X is ideal for the shooter/director/editor? Generally I know a rough structure of the edit before I’ve even sat down at the computer. For longer pieces I’ll type up a simple outline in Word to get organized. Often that is where I clarify my thinking.
Then it’s a matter of assembling the narrative content of the piece which is interviews and maybe writing snippets of narration. Having thumbnails laying around doesn’t help me at all in this phase because it is almost completely verbal. For short videos I just use favorites to easily find soundbites. If it’s a longer video, I keyword soundbites by topic area so they are easy to collect in one location. Once the structure of the piece is down, then it’s a matter of matching the visual to the narrative. And when I’ve shot it, I know exactly what I have so it’s a matter of finding it.
There are different kinds of videos. I just wonder how much of this discussion boils down to different types of videos and different roles in making the videos.
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[Brett Sherman] “Could it be X is ideal for the shooter/director/editor?”
Very possible Brett. I know it’s ideal for me : )
[Brett Sherman] “Once the structure of the piece is down, then it’s a matter of matching the visual to the narrative. And when I’ve shot it, I know exactly what I have so it’s a matter of finding it.”
Exactly.
I prefer not to start shooting without a script. That’s where the editing begins. Then I delete clips I don’t like in the camera before I even hook it up. (love cards)
[Brett Sherman] “There are different kinds of videos. I just wonder how much of this discussion boils down to different types of videos and different roles in making the videos.”
Indeed. It seems there are way too many types of projects and too many types of ways to handle them
to really get much of a consensus on a lot of this.I enjoy reading though : )
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[Brett Sherman] “I just wonder how much of this discussion boils down to different types of videos and different roles in making the videos.
“Probably quite a bit of it.
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“[Brett Sherman] “I just wonder how much of this discussion boils down to different types of videos and different roles in making the videos.”
Considering that all NLE’s have been used to edit all kinds of videos, I would have to disagree in general. For me at least, which NLE I use is matter of personal preference (though sometimes a particular NLE is mandated by the powers that be).
This discussion, for me, has (again) illustrated the diverse ways and workflows by which we as editors do our work, particularly with respect to bin organization but in many other ways too. It has also been illuminating as to the many ways that spatial thinking and memory manifest in the editing realm whether one uses FCPX or not.
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the point here Bill, (such as it is), is that the whole basis for my post came directly from your analysis of the limitations of bulletin board picture postcards.
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/49107
You may be conditioned to the NLE equivalent of not being happy unless all your postcards are thumbtacked to a huge physical bulletin board so you can “visually locate” the ones with PINK in them. And that might have satisfied you in the past and you might be stuck thinking that taking away your ability to do the visual choice will impede your editing…. BUT….
After learning X, you discover it’s trivial to just VISUALLY select every scene with PINK in it – and drop it in a PINK keyword collection.
X is built around the idea that ANYONE can understand keystroking R then E – and before you even type anything else, you’re given an instant VISUAL view of every clip with PINK in it. So there’s no need to constantly search the HUGE visual field unless you elect to.
But the serious thing that many editors overlook is that the amount of visual material we have to deal with is INCREASING quite rapidly. The “pin it to the bulletin board” idea simply doesn’t work if you have tens of thousands of post cards. It’s simply impossible to resolve information within that large a database. So you MUST learn tools that solve those problems if you want to remain relevant in a future where restricting your view to ONE “bulletin board” manageable project might not be even possible in a media saturated future.
a great deal of what you say there is valid. In the end I’m not arguing at all, that X is essentially wrong in any sense, just that I believe an editing system, even one with a next generation footage system, should still take into account basic precepts of memory recall.
Its not rocket science – being given the ability to ascertain multiple item groups in relation to each other is not a conceit – its basic stuff.
Apple having locked the tag queries to a single, one at a time browser is, at the very least, open to question.
come on – I basically proffered this thread to afford visibility – you simply can’t say as an editor that you don’t want, or need, the space to see two bins at once.
It’s brass tacks Bill – isn’t it? Seriously?
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “come on – I basically proffered this thread to afford visibility – you simply can’t say as an editor that you don’t want, or need, the space to see two bins at once.”
Select two keyword collections and you can see two at once (or as many as you select).
Also, with the data that FCPX collects on import, you can sort by date and time at any time in any ‘bin’, so viewing in time is always available to you.
I find the FCPX method to be much more dynamic. I find that I make little subsets of the data because it’s so easy and fast.
Thus, I can drill down and keep exactly what I need with range based collections, instead of having to search for three words across 20 takes in a bin labeled “Day 2 footage” or “Sweet Takes Bin 10”.
Those kw collections are saved, which means those searches are saved, to be recalled very easily and simply.
When organizing in FCP7, once I go through the initial sort, I have to keep it in the same bin as if I start moving clips around, I won’t remember where I put them.
In FCPX, I don’t have that problem because I can hold on to or discard exactly what I need through range based selections or other container like methods.
I know that there was mention of not wanting to have the rejected clips hidden all the time.
My favorite part of the rejected clips; in the cases where you need to go back and have another look at your footage to find something you might have missed, those clips are all in one place. I know I have not used those clips and therefore I don’t have to sort through all of the footage I have already reviewed countless times.
I can make meaningful sets of data instead of loosely grouping like objects in a bin and double clicking through each one, perhaps marking with a marker or extended marker, that shows up ONLY on that clip in that bin and no where else.
I find FCPX’s method to be much more exact, much more fluid, and helps me to concentrate on the edit and not where I might have left 3 words of dialogue. Obviously, it’s just the way I think.
Jeremy
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all good – do you function primarily as a paid, client interacting editor Jeremy?
it’s not a dig, i’m just asking.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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Usually clients face the back of my head rather than having me face them.
I just had my first full on client based all fcpx sessions last week. I am not exaggerating when I say we were able to explore more creative options because of fcpx.
Why?
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Not sure if youi’re still following this thread… but here’s the first Grapes installment on YouTube –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19cAfSRIFUI
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And for anyone else following that was just waiting for that VideoCube Nomar Garciaparra spot,,,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToTv9xZ9Ps8
That has to be some of the earliest broadcast NLE material.
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