seriously.. what is wrong with fcp

[Peter Dewit]

I’m with you on the project opening thing. I think FCP is a great program but it doesn’t seem to handle huge projects(with load times or organization ability) nearly as well as Avid does.

[Cee Dee]

ooh… and im using the newest universal release…so no excuses apple!!!

why am i using fcp you ask? well this was shot in dvcpro hd and and i need to output hd to client monitor, and reference monitor. cant do that in xpress pro 🙁

but still… match frame issues???

[Cee Dee]

and more more thing… in avid you can hit play a few times and it plays the timeline and clips faster by inceasing the pitch. its great because you can understand what people are saying (in a chipmunk voice of course). fcp however, skips frames to play faster making it impossible to understand what is being said in highspeed…

no ego here, in fact, i want to be wrong. i hope that im just a moron and i dont know how to do what i want to do.

[David Battistella]

Why not dub all of your masters to DV and cut in Express Pro and finish on a Nitris?

No point in learning to use the most used editing software in the world. Just stay in AVID land and forget about it.

I’d love to sit here and waste my time on all of the benifits of the file stracture system that is built on the OS and not the software, but it would most likely be falling on dead ears. Actually as I type, I have figured out that this post is even more futile than your initial post.

So I will just stop right there, but I will add this. You can provide feedback to Apple from within Final Cut Pro and I am sure they will implement all of our requests. Maybe they will even change the name of software to AVID just for you.

🙂

David

Peace and Love 🙂

[Cee Dee]

Why not dub all of your masters to DV and cut in Express Pro and finish on a Nitris?

Actually a better workflow would be to cut in xpress pro using dvcpro hd media and downconverting to sd via mojo. Then Consoidate the mxf folders on to a drive and load then into the nitris (symphony or ds?).

I can give you great advice if you have workflow questions with avid. I am asking for workflow questions with final cut. It never fails, compare the two and get critisized for it. next please…

[Steven Gonzales]

Stirring up antagonism does not enrich a forum.

[Ben Insler]

Guess what, I’ve never touched an AVID, but I’m sure it works great. So does Final Cut. Some people like Premiere (not sure why, but they do – maybe I am to Premiere what AVID editors are to FCP). Nonetheless, they all have positives and negatives, but I’m sure you even have to troubleshoot on AVID. BUT, this is a help forum, so let’s try that for a change, eh?

Did you try trashing your prefrences? Sounds like FCP is running into a corrupt media connection. Did you try re-importing the media. Does the funky stuff still happen?

Best,

Ben

[Bob Flood]

Hi

rather than belittle one or the other, i will tell you this

when the audio does not matchframe properly, its usually due to confusion over audio renders, under tools use the render manager to delete them. that should work better

also, in response to your other post about jkl and the audio shuttle: You need a card like a kona LH or something and it will give you better audio scrubbing. FCP by itself garbles the sound a lot more in shuttle.

we have 2 systems, one with a Kona LH and One with an IO la (basically a firewire converter) the kona LH is a bunch better for shuttling, as well as other stuff.

ps, what happens if you get a MOJO on the express and digi yer footage through that analog component? no?

hope this helps

bee eph

[Walter Biscardi]

[cls105] “new fcp user old avid user… every day i whine about using fcp… not being able to match frame freeze frames, motion effects being a bit more tedious than avid, project files taking long to open. Now this strange match frame issue… click on link for example

https://ed1t.com/nle/

i have an audio clip on the timeline… for some reason its not playing the section of the song that it should be playing. this has happened more than once. and when i matchframe it plays a completly different part of the song (not exactly MATCHframing).

if i had a full on assistant like walter murch, i probably wouldnt whine.”

Just curious, why are you using FCP? If you were happy with Avid, why switch? Not antagonizing, just asking. I switched from Media 100 because I was tired of only being able to edit with 2 tracks of video.

[cls105] “not being able to match frame freeze frames”

Never had to match a freeze frame so I have no idea on that one.

[cls105] “motion effects being a bit more tedious than avid”

It’s a different program so it operates differently. I use motion effects all the time and have created 30 track video compositions with FCP. It’s quite easy for me, but certainly different than Avid. After a few months, it will be second nature. FCP is not Avid and Avid is not FCP.

[cls105] “project files taking long to open.”

Depends on how big a project is. A large project with 100’s of clips will take longer to open than a 30 second spot with 20 clips. That’s the nature of how FCP works at the moment.

[cls105] “I know i know, these programs operate differently but fcp has a LONG way to go (media db for one thing).”

If you had been with FCP since version 1.25 like myself, you would not be saying that, but marveling at how far FCP has come in just 5 years. Yes, it’s not perfect, but again, it’s not Avid and it certainly doesn’t come with the price tag of a full HD Avid system.

I’m still curious, why switch from Avid when you seem to have been happily cutting with it? I often wonder why Avid editors switch to FCP, but then complain it “doesn’t cut like Avid.” Of course it doesn’t, it cuts like FCP. If I was happy cutting with Avid, I wouldn’t switch to FCP, so just curious why you made the switch.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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[Tom Matthies]

When I match frame I always set the auto select indicators to the track I want to match to. I notice on your movie that ALL of the auto select indicators are enabled. Although the only clip at that location in your timeline is the audio track, try turning off the indicators on all of the tracks EXCEPT the ones adjacent to the track you are trying to match to. The Auto Select buttons are those little square buttons just to the right of your track lock buttons on the left side of the timeline. Unless your browser items are somehow connected to the wrong media files, matchframe should work all of the time. I’ve never had an instance where it didn’t work correctly.
Anyhow, give it a try.
As for the Avid/FCP thing. I do feel your pain. I started on Avids WAY back in the early 90’s and cut on them for well over 10 years. Learning FCP was a little frustrating, but I’ve been with FCP now since version 1.2.5. I wouldn’t go back to Avid for any money now. They are two different sets of software with two very different ways of achieving the same results. I believe that the “best” system is usually the one that you are the most familiar with.
I am currently teaching a somewhat reluctant Avid editor in the art of editing with Final Cut. He is frustrated as all hell right now because it’s dfferent. Yes, it is different. That’s one of the things I like best about it. It can be updated fairly easily with only software changes. I have a pair of aging Avid Symphony systems in the other two edit rooms here. They are basically dead end systems. No chance of ever upgrading them. To upgrade them, you basically replace them. They are barely 3 years old now and cost quite a bit of money when new. The editor I’m instructing right now is one of the most dyed-in-the-wool Avid people you will ever meet. However, he see the handwriting on the wall as far as the future here. That future is FCP. No doubt about that. He’s realized that he has to adapt or die professionally. Smart guy. It’s like a business guy that speaks more than one language. Always a plus.

As an editor who still ventures back into Avid land from time to time, I have to say that there are definitely features of the Symphonys that blow FCP away. The color correctors for example. However, for every one feature that Avid does “better”, I can name 10 that, in my opinion, FCP is superior at. When I replace the two Avids here in the near future, one will probably be an Adreneline HD system. The other one (or two) will be FCP. No doubt about it.
Give it a chance and FCP will become your friend. Try your best to not attempt to bend FCP into a clone of your Avid. Relax, open your mind, give up a few of the things you like about your Avid and you will be rewarded with MANY things that are easier and more efficient in FCP.
That’s your bit if Editing Zen for the day.
tom