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  • Cee Dee

    January 10, 2007 at 11:16 pm

    Yes we all complain. I dont know one avid editor who is happy enough with fcp. The reason I’m using final cut is because i need to output an hdcam master. My mojo doesnt output hd (pathetic!). The problem is, we have the same standards with the software. I just dont get some of these problems that im having with fcp. A matchframe should be a match frame. Drive speed requirments seem to be higher in final cut (you need to raid or youll get underruns). and the rest is above. I want to love final cut, and im tired of people telling me to request a feature. hhaha 🙂

  • Cee Dee

    January 10, 2007 at 11:18 pm

    im happy with that response 🙂

  • Tom Matthies

    January 10, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    Just a quick little side bar to add to the above. We have a “new guy” here that’s only a year out of college. He learned Final Cut at school and is really pretty good at it. To be more useful here, he has been learning the Avid system for the last year. He absolutely HATES it. It makes no sense to him.
    It comes down to what you are the most familiar and comfortable using. It’s that simple.
    tom

  • Cee Dee

    January 10, 2007 at 11:29 pm

    i get that its more intuitive… Initially my complaints were something like… trying to matchframe freeze frames, trying to match frame and its not working, getting underruns cutting dvcprohd media on a single sata disk.

    im going to be more open about this software. Im still curious about the for every advantage avid has fcp has 10 (or something like that). I cant wait until fcp adds metadata or a database for all the media.. its only a matter of time i guess.

  • David Battistella

    January 10, 2007 at 11:31 pm

    I’ve answered my fair share of posts in these forums. I am not sure it is productive to drop three posts in complaining about how one piece of software does not compare to another piece of software. Then I get a bit cheekie and everyone gets on the high horse.

    Ask your questions about FCP and they will be answered here. There is no need to state (which you did on three seperate posts on your private rant) that one is better than the other.

    You broke the code. So did I and I apologize for that. I actaully wrote an article about this a while back!

    https://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/page_wrapper.cgi?forumid=122&page=https://www.creativecow.net/articles/battistella_david/good_grazing/index.html

    David

    Peace and Love 🙂

  • David Battistella

    January 10, 2007 at 11:47 pm

    and also,

    I hated FCP when I made the switch. But I loved it more than media 100 and discreet EDit and Adobe premier and the editdroid. Many of the things you are complaing about are and have been legitimate “problems” with FCP when you look at things with an AVID perspective.

    Walter has a good point here. FCP is not AVID and vice versa. I have come to understand media management in FCP (believe it or not) and I use it all the time to consolidate media etc.. On the double speed thing. This was one of the most anoying thins for me because when sifting through hours of doc interview I had to watch in double or 4x times speed to sift it. I actually implored the people who wrote the Aurora codec to come up with a fix for this, but it is just the way QT media handles audio.

    Freeze frames. When you create one always drag a copy of it from the viewer into the browser and then cut that back into the timeline. This forces FCP to connect it to a piece od media.

    Slo Motion. You will use fit to fill a lot more in FCP.

    JKL does speed and eventually your ear will tune to FCP’s way.

    ReMap your keyboard to your avid prefs.

    The top things I like.
    1. Media files in teh browser and on the drive have the same name
    2. Scalable QT throughout the OS
    3. Compressor
    4. Use of photo’s and other media
    5. Scalability (DV to HD) one box
    6. Software updates to not require an OS change
    7. Pricepoint

    Mostly I like that AVID is no longer th eonly game in town. That’s democracy at work.

    David

    Peace and Love 🙂

  • David Roth weiss

    January 11, 2007 at 1:15 am

    [cls105] “getting underruns cutting dvcprohd media on a single sata disk.”

    Are you still cutting DVCProHD on a single SATA drive? If so, then you have absolutely no business wasting anyone’s time with your problems. If you are, we’ll have your balls surgically removed with a rusty super-8 splicing block.

    DRW

  • Cee Dee

    January 11, 2007 at 1:35 am

    haha, i know im upgrading storage as we speak.. however, this is my point. in the past i have used xpress pro cutting dvcprohd on a single 7200rpm sata drive. same thing with uncompressed sd. i dont want to compare but when i started to use final cut with the SAME storage configuration and less performance outcome i asked myself what was going on.

  • Walter Biscardi

    January 11, 2007 at 1:47 am

    [cls105] “Drive speed requirments seem to be higher in final cut (you need to raid or youll get underruns). and the rest is above.”

    This is because FCP is software based, not hardware. With HDCAM material you need a minimum CalDigit S2VR HD SATA array, which is what we’re running now, or Fibre Channel. We’ve been delivering HD to networks for two years now with FCP and we started out on Fibre Channel but have recently switched to CalDigit SATA arrays.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    https://www.biscardicreative.com
    HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
    HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”

    “I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters

  • Walter Biscardi

    January 11, 2007 at 1:54 am

    [David Battistella] “Ask your questions about FCP and they will be answered here. There is no need to state (which you did on three seperate posts on your private rant) that one is better than the other.”

    And that is exactly the point I always try to make on these forums. Avid is not better than FCP and FCP is not better than Avid. Each is it’s own NLE and to compare them is just not worth the discussion space. If you’re working in FCP and want to know how to familiarize yourself with FCP, then get Diane Weyland’s book and learn the interface. FCP will NEVER be Avid or Premiere or Media 100 or Quantel or the 50 other NLE’s that are out there.

    If you want to cut on an Avid, then buy an Avid and go with it. If your Avid cannot cut HD, then upgrade to an Avid that does cut HD. But no one should ever expect to come to FCP from ANY other non-linear editing system and expect it to be just like what they left. It never will. It will be what it is and if that’s not good enough for the user, then switch to something else.

    All I can say is that in the 5 years of using FCP, I started in a spare bedroom with a CineWave FCP System, UVW-1800 and 240GB of storage space. I now run a full Post facility with 3 high definition suites, almost 7TB of storage and we’re delivering two HD broadcast series with several more waiting in the wings. I adopted my entire workflow from Media 100 to FCP 5 years ago and never looked back. What’s wrong with FCP? Not a whole lot in my book.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    https://www.biscardicreative.com
    HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network’s “Good Eats”
    HD Editorial for “Assignment Earth”

    “I reject your reality and substitute my own!” – Adam Savage, Mythbusters

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