PrPro export to quicktime. HD

[Ben G unguren]

[Alan Stephens] “PrPro or media encoder doesn’t seem to suport quicktime HD.”

Hi Alan,

This phrase doesn’t make sense. What do you mean by “quicktime HD”? If you mean quicktime movies that are 1920×1080, they totally support it. I’ve exported hundreds and hundreds of QT HD movies, to a variety of codecs, including ProRes, without problem.

I was reading your previous post, and it feels like you’re getting frustrated with PPRO and AME and are consequently drawing some hasty conclusions. I teach editing to college kids (mostly FCP) and when they say things like “this just doesn’t support HD”, that’s usually an indicator that something’s gone off-kilter (typically user-error related) and they simply missed it. I’m thinking that there are a few possible problems here:

1. Your source files are off-kilter. Maybe they are anamorphic but aren’t being interpreted correctly. Or something.

2. Your timeline is off-kilter. Maybe it isn’t square HD. Maybe your clips aren’t being interpreted correctly inside the timeline — maybe it isn’t being viewed properly, and so you aren’t noticing any of this.

3. [this is my suspicion] Your export settings are off-kilter. You’re using a preset, and you haven’t gone over all the customizable settings within the preset, or perhaps you don’t know what to look for. Maybe the output is non-square when it should be square, for instance.

Another possibility is that QT Player’s “info” window isn’t showing the correct data. This is a problem that creeps up with videos exported from lots of programs (including FCP) — it’s supposed to be 1920×1080 but QT tells you it’s something else. And you open it in AE or grab a still for PS, and everything matches up — only QT can’t get things straight.

Anyways, there are a few rambling possibilities. Don’t discard the Adobe stuff just yet — I’m coming from FCP-land myself, and I find this stuff has a lot to offer.

Ben Unguren
Motion Graphics & Editing
http://www.mostlydocumentary.com

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[Chris Tompkins]

From your HD sequence in PPRo – File Export:

Send to AME for Queue,

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Choose Quicktime.

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Choose Prores.

All there….

Chris Tompkins
Video Atlanta LLC

[Alan Stephens]

I have tried this and here is what I get. Everything lines up except the pixel size doesn’t adjust with the codec. If i adjust it manually I get 1620×1080. when I output I get a black border on the top & bottom. I’ve Never seen this before outside 4×3 & 16×9.
If I go in and adjust the aspect manually I get squeezed video with a black border.

Alan Stephens

[Alan Stephens]

Yes I’m some what frustrated. I started with Premier 5 and when I got to 1.5 pro, I switched to FC about 4 years ago for strategic reasons.
I really liked Premier, but have gotten used to FC now.

I would say I’m a novice encoder. I understand that the various
settings can cause the output to be off-kilter. With todays web end use My clients need more expertise.

fc as you know has an export form the timeline as I think PrPro once did. I see by design we don’t need it any longer so much.
Media encoder is fine, but you would think there would be a preset to do this. It is a good way to archive projects in an edited form.

As for settings I have tried many different settings in order to get things to work. I don’t know about all of the variables so I am shooting in the dark. My source footage is HDV (1440x1080p. I made my sequnce in PrPro new sequence from clip to keep the settings right. no problems in FC or compressor.

This is a bit like building the airplane as your taking off in it.
I still have media to deliver.

Any ideas?

Alan Stephens

[Alan Stephens]

I have tried this and here is what I get. Everything lines up except the pixel size doesn’t adjust with the codec. If i adjust it manually I get 1620×1080. when I output I get a black border on the top & bottom. I’ve Never seen this before outside 4×3 & 16×9.
If I go in and adjust the aspect manually I get squeezed video with a black border.
screen shot included.

Alan Stephens

[Ben G unguren]

In the pixel size for your export settings, unselect the chain-link box just to the right of the numbers (this forces the pixel aspect ratio to remain consistent, but it is set to a 4:3 ratio, and you want 16:9). Then change the 1620 to 1920, and you should be good to go.

Ben Unguren
Motion Graphics & Editing
http://www.mostlydocumentary.com

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[Alan Stephens]

Thanks, that worked. I thought I tried this before, but maybe not all the settings at the same time.
Any idea about the vertical jitter issue? I tried Progressive but it was still there on mp4 files at 24fps. when I change it to 29.97 there is no jiggle.

Alan Stephens

[Ben G unguren]

Well, your source timeline is 29.97, so it makes sense that a 29.97 export will look better than one at 24. It would work better to export at 29.97, then take it into AE and try to resample the frames into 24fps using Timewarp. It isn’t the best solution, but works tolerably well with some due diligence on google etc. Good luck!

Ben Unguren
Motion Graphics & Editing
http://www.mostlydocumentary.com

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[Al Bergstein]

Alan, I don’t understand your comment about exporting from the timeline. Pr has an ability to export the sequence, which I think is the same thing you are asking for.

I would agree that the documentation for Pr (as well as online tutorials that I’ve watched in the last month), leaves a huge amount of opportunity for motivated educators!

Al

[Alan Stephens]

I got the answer to my export. I jsut wanted to export the edited sequnece as a quicktime file that could be used in future projects or encoded directly in Media Encoder. I had some problems with aspect ratio in ME
but got the answer I needed to straighten it out in this thread.
THX

Alan Stephens