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Premiere Pro makes me happy… then sad
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Thanks for the detailed reply Dennis. I will say there was a period early on when Adobe was listening during the ver. 1 and 1.5 days when there was a different team i charge. I was one of the first editors on the planet to attempt, with Adobe’s involvement, editing a narrative feature with PPro and Cineform – this was right after Dust to Glory. I was also the 1st Editor to cut a 2K 3D Cineform Prospect show in Premiere Pro. Once that team left Adobe, there was a period when Adobe was NOT listening and English was definitely the 2nd language for the programming team, none of which seemed to have ANY editing experience.
I’ve seen a lot of progress in the past 2 rev’s and actually paid for my upgrade to CS5. I’ve tested 5.5 with approved nVidia card and it is awesome! However I’ve not come to the point of trust yet where I would cut my next movie on it… maybe someday.
Correction as far 64 bit. Sony Vegas Pro has had side by side 32 AND 64 bit versions since Vegas 9, long before CS5 was released. I cut my last indie feature in Vegas Pro 10 64bit because the constant crashes we were having in CS5. 5.5 seems much better and I would think 6 will be even better.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Irvine, California -
[Lance Bachelder] “I’ve seen a lot of progress in the past 2 rev’s and actually paid for my upgrade to CS5. I’ve tested 5.5 with approved nVidia card and it is awesome! However I’ve not come to the point of trust yet where I would cut my next movie on it… maybe someday.”
What surprises me about what you’ve written above Lance is that you characterize yourself as distrustful of Adobe Premiere based upon your customer experience in the past with Premiere, yet when people here do exactly the same, but it’s in reference to FCPX, you are dismissive and or even disrespectful.
Why is that? What do you see as the difference?
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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I thought I was being fairly objective in my PPro views being a long time fan of the app even with its past shortcomings.
The big difference is I’ve actually used PPro for years off and on for fairly high level work – most of the folks posting here including some of the leaders in this forum are not actually using FCPX for paying gigs and just slamming it and Apple as a hobby or sport and not based on any actual use of the program. You’re a prime example David – you’re a Leader on this forum and I can’t recall anything but negative crap from you concerning FCPX. Why even be a leader?
When someone like Bill Davis or Craig post something positive they are instantly jumped on by the naysayers, who for the most part have less real pro experience than them.
I’ve been a Cow Leader for over 10 years and just for you David, I promise this will be my last post ever in this forum.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Irvine, California -
[Lance Bachelder] “When someone like Bill Davis or Craig post something positive they are instantly jumped on by the naysayers, who for the most part have less real pro experience than them.”
You know, you keep making that accusation about “pro experience,” Lance, with nothing to back it up. Its easy to point fingers when you are not pointing at anyone directly, but at everyone by association. Its cheap and childish to attempt to undercut other people’s credibility with innuendo.
[Lance Bachelder] “I’ve been a Cow Leader for over 10 years and just for you David, I promise this will be my last post ever in this forum.”
Your choice, of course. Frankly, you were vaguely offensive to advocates when you didn’t like FCP X, and now, you are vaguely offensive to people who have problems with it. I DO think you say interesting things in the Techniques forum, so maybe you are wise to carry out your threat and never darken these doorsteps again.
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[Lance Bachelder] “you’re a Leader on this forum and I can’t recall anything but negative crap from you concerning FCPX. Why even be a leader?”
This is the debate forum Lance. It’s the only one of its kind on the Cow, and no one has forced you to join in, nor is anyone suggesting you leave. Opposing views are typically part and parcel of every debate, aren’t they?
BTW, I’m not a leader of this forum Lance, just a regular here, because the debate is sometimes interesting, particularly when people are respectful of the views of others and are willing to share their respective POVs frankly and openly.
I wonder, do you always characterize the POVs of others that differ from your own as “negative crap,” or is that strictly reserved for those of us who simply don’t share to your zeal for FCPX? I certainly don’t know you well enough to know the answer that, and I’d suggest that’s probably true of anyone coming across your words here. For future reference, you might want to think about that.
[Lance Bachelder] “The big difference is I’ve actually used PPro for years off and on for fairly high level work – most of the folks posting here including some of the leaders in this forum are not actually using FCPX for paying gigs and just slamming it and Apple as a hobby or sport and not based on any actual use of the program.”
The fact is Lance, there are many editors who are simply unable to use FCPX for their work, because their client’s work demands things such as: seamless backward compatibility; seamless collaborative workflows; proper video monitoring; and a host of other things that FCPX doesn’t yet have in its present form, or may never have.
So, if some of us can’t actually use the product for our paying gigs, it does seem a bit odd that you’d find our dissatisfaction with the product so surprising and even upsetting. Why do you really care if we disagree with you?
[Lance Bachelder] “When someone like Bill Davis or Craig post something positive they are instantly jumped on by the naysayers, who for the most part have less real pro experience than them.”
That’s also wildly inaccurate Lance. Disagreeing with your POV or with that of Bill and craig does not automatically make others bad people, nor should they be made to feel unwelcome on this forum because they don’t share your particular views.
[Lance Bachelder] “I promise this will be my last post ever in this forum.”
If you can’t tolerate disagreement in a debate forum then you’ll probably be better off not participating in the discussion here. But, don’t blame that on me, or on anyone else here; that’s entirely your choice.
Meanwhile, you probably will be much happier when you find a debate or forum in which everyone agrees with you absolutely and completely. Good luck, I do hope you find your Shangri-La someday, somewhere.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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Chris – where’s your back-up? My last TV gig was Supervising and Lead Editor on an national Top 10 Emmy Winning CG Series with millions of weekly viewers. I just returned from overseas as Supervising Editor and Story Consultant on a $30 million+ CG feature film – both using legacy FCP.
My IMDB may not be up to date but I do have a variety of decent shows on there. I’ve released 2 live action feature films in the past 3 years with over $2 million in DVD sales and growing. I have 2 produced screenplays and will Direct and Edit my second feature film later this year – and hoping to cut it in FCPX! I Love this business and have been at it since 1986.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
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David – if you’re not a Leader here why is your pic up top? For whatever reason you’ve decided to attack me personally though I can’t recall doing the same to you? I don’t live that far from Burbank (I was born there) if you feel the need to keep making personal attacks?
I’ve never ever judged anyone here including you as a “bad” person – that’s just silly. But I’ve seen very little debate in this forum, mostly just a lot of negative posts from the naysayers peppered with a few positive posts that usually get jumped on right away by more negative crap.
I guess in my “shangri la” world – all the leaders with pics would be high level, award-winning pro’s who actually used/tested the products thoroughly before jumping to conclusions. There are many such forums and leaders here on the Cow – sadly just not in this forum.
Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Irvine, California -
[Lance Bachelder] “I’ve never ever judged anyone here including you as a “bad” person – that’s just silly.”
You labeled my opinions as “negative crap,” then suggest that it’s I who have made this personal. It sure sounds like anyone who doesn’t agree with you is just wrong.
Why do you care so much about what others think about FCPX?
If you simply tell others what you think, you’ll find it works a whole lot better than telling them how you think they should think.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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[Ken Zukin] “Your posts always seem intelligent, reasoned, informed, etc., and they inspire trust in your company.
And at some point, I will probably become a Premiere Pro user, as FCP X isn’t going to cut it for me.But what you wrote here is classic misleading marketing: you’ve made it seem as though Adobe did something to benefit Mac users; unless I’m mistaken, the move you describe here followed Adobe abandoning the Mac platform, which left it’s users high and dry.”
Ken, First off – thank you for your kind words. While I’m an Adobe employee, part of DNA is always trying to be a helpful person and this is an avenue where I can do that. I do think that Adobe is listening and caring about the customer in a way that is singular in the industry right now. Of course, I’m biased! 😉
To your point about returning to the Mac: Yes, we did move to a single platform for three releases (Premiere Pro versions 1.0, 1.5 and 2.0). At the time FCP was growing on the Mac platform and in order for us to make Premiere Pro full featured for 1.0 (no missing features), then we had to lose the Mac platform for a time. Trust me, we didn’t want to! Our decision around it at the time was multi-faceted but I would say the biggest reason was that our PC/Mac ratio at the time was STRONGLY favoring PC. Like Apple, you have to go where you feel the business is. At that time, it was more around the PC.
I’ll take the hit for that, but I would argue that the point is that we invested in the Mac platform at the absolute height of FCP popularity (FCS2). It was the right business thing to do, it was just the right thing to do.
Thanks,
Dennis – Adobe guy (or Adobe shill??!?!?) 😉 -
[Dennis Radeke] “At the time FCP was growing on the Mac platform and in order for us to make Premiere Pro full featured for 1.0 (no missing features), then we had to lose the Mac platform for a time. Trust me, we didn’t want to! Our decision around it at the time was multi-faceted”
I’m sure Mac users at the time were just as livid with that decision as FCP Legacy users are now with Apple (although there’s probably a lot more of them!) But in the long run everything turned out well, hopefully the same will happen with FCPX.
Steve Connor
“FCPX Agitator”
Adrenalin Television
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