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  • Plans for FCP2 Suite Use Cancelled Pending Software Fixes

    Posted by Tom Daigon on July 29, 2007 at 3:55 am

    Well, I am bummed and relieved at the same time. After a lot of research and many frustrating sessions (with clients in attendance), the facility owners decided to postpone
    the opening of our FCP Studio 2 suite. The major culprits were consistant loss of renders
    (forcing the rerendering of long form presentations) and the ridiculously long render times for Motion 3 projects embedded in FCP6 timelines.
    Unfortunatley our Avids set the standards and expectations our clients (and us) have for SPEED (long renders in SD and HD projects for extremely simple Motion 3 effects) and
    reliability (render caches dont ever disappear on the DS).
    I really love FCP and look forward with hope that in the near future Apple will see fit to address these issues. I have given them extensive feedback and hope others have done the same.
    I will continue to enhance my skills and understanding of the software . I hope Apple is as committed to video as it is phones & IPODS.

    Mark Maness replied 18 years, 9 months ago 23 Members · 68 Replies
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  • Tom Daigon

    July 29, 2007 at 3:59 am

    Both the issues I mentioned (slow rendering of embedded Motion 3 projects in FCP6 AND render file dissapperance) are well documented here on the COW. A search will reveal
    others expereience and frustration.

  • David Roth weiss

    July 29, 2007 at 5:08 am

    Without listing your hardware either in either post or in your profile these two posts are unfortunately not very helpful to anyone. For example, the lost render file issue seems to affect only a few users, so it would be nice to know what combination of hardware you’re using so the rest of us might see if a pattern presents itself or if we can somehow avoid the same problem. Info about your MAC, your RAM, your capture card, and your raid array might be very helpful.

    David

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • Jason Lyons

    July 29, 2007 at 6:39 am

    OS 10.4.10
    FCP 6.01
    Dual 2GHZ G5
    Tons of successful editing under 5.x never lost render files like this!

    This is certainly a FCP 6.0 / 6.01 issue!! Not an isolated event to one piece of hardware or software as can be demonstrated by the posting “FCP 6 Losing Render Files”

    https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/8/947529

    I am right dab in the middle of it. At first I thought I was having corrupt media drives, a hardware malfunction… until saw this in the forum.

    What happens is:

    One finishes a sequence, renders it, plays it back, edits, closes, reopens and bang—-0 they are all gone. All media drives are still present, all media is still present just no render files.

    I have also had instances where everything appears rendered via the solid blue line at the top and is actually not. When you try to play it back it drops frames… and at some point, not sure what, how or why, but the timeline updates and shows orange and green unrendered bars again…

    Almost like there is something on writing the project on closing FCP that doesnt quite save it properly.

    Hope it gets fixed soon…. Sucks to have to explain this to clients.

    Cheers!
    j

  • Tom Wolsky

    July 29, 2007 at 7:10 am

    Are you duplicating sequences?

    All the best,

    Tom

    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs

  • Jason Lyons

    July 29, 2007 at 7:22 am

    For me…
    In normal work flow I do save off SEQ’s periodically and continue forth by continuing to edit from the SEQ I copied FROM, I never copy then start working on the copy. But to the best my memory the issue seems to happen mostly when re-opening FCP, and occasionally FCP 6.01 crashes to finder, no dialogue box, and upon reopening the render files are there sometimes and gone others, no pattern yet.

    Im interested in what you are thinking… Is is possibly “confusing” FCP to duplicate SEQ’s? In my case the SEQ are never left open they are tucked away in an “In=progres” Bin…

    Cheers!
    j

  • David Roth weiss

    July 29, 2007 at 7:45 am

    [avidzombie] “One finishes a sequence, renders it, plays it back, edits, closes, reopens and bang—-0 they are all gone. All media drives are still present, all media is still present just no render files.

    I have also had instances where everything appears rendered via the solid blue line at the top and is actually not. When you try to play it back it drops frames… and at some point, not sure what, how or why, but the timeline updates and shows orange and green unrendered bars again…”

    This sounds like corrupt metadata or corrupt database.

    It doesn’t happen here at my place using almost the identical setup (mine is a dual 2.3ghz G5). You should try a reinstall from the ground up if you haven’t already.

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • Tom Wolsky

    July 29, 2007 at 11:48 am

    There is an Apple document that talks about what’s happening here and gives some workarounds. Obviously it’s a problem that’s being looked at and needs a fix.

    You my have some additional, underlying issue that’s causing the application to shut down. I’ve not seen that at all, not with FCP.

    All the best,

    Tom

    Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 2 Editing Workshop” Class on Demand “Complete Training for FCP5” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy” DVDs

  • Walter Biscardi

    July 29, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    [lasvideo] “The major culprits were consistant loss of renders
    (forcing the rerendering of long form presentations) and the ridiculously long render times for Motion 3 projects embedded in FCP6 timelines.”

    We have three desktop systems, one laptop and iMac system all running FCP 6 with nothing like this happening, at least as far as lost renders. Obviously Apple has seen this in some circumstances, but all the folks I personally know running FCP 6 are not losing renders at all.

    We don’t really use Motion all that much here so I can’t comment on those render times.

    We’re finding a lot of issues with the Adobe Premium Production CS3 suite as well, so Apple isn’t the only one with any problems moving forward.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    https://www.biscardicreative.com
    HD Editorial & Animation for Broadcast and independent productions.

    All Things Apple Podcast! https://cowcast.creativecow.net/all_things_apple/index.html

    Read my blog! https://blogs.creativecow.net/WalterBiscardi

  • Rafael Amador

    July 29, 2007 at 12:47 pm

    This that happens also with FCP 5.x.x No too often, but now and them when re-opening a project with a full sequence rendered to find the red line in two or three clips. But never to be a annoying issue.
    Rafael

  • Walter Biscardi

    July 29, 2007 at 1:11 pm

    [rafalaos] “This that happens also with FCP 5.x.x No too often, but now and them when re-opening a project with a full sequence rendered to find the red line in two or three clips. But never to be a annoying issue.”

    have never witnessed this on any of our three desktop systems or the laptop when running FCP 5, any versions of 5.

    Walter Biscardi, Jr.
    https://www.biscardicreative.com
    HD Editorial & Animation for Broadcast and independent productions.

    All Things Apple Podcast! https://cowcast.creativecow.net/all_things_apple/index.html

    Read my blog! https://blogs.creativecow.net/WalterBiscardi

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