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OT: For those that care about WWDC
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I couldn’t agree more.
Jerry
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I’m adding my voice to those disappointed with the ExpressCard drop. I haven’t cut anything in years that wasn’t on an eSATA RAID, and like Shane I’ve been editing on a 15″ since the Powerbook G4 – it’s perfectly possible, quite comfortable, and truly portable. Now, it’s simply not possible. The 17″ is FAR too big, sorry, and completely unnecessary. Apple now no longer not make a laptop I can buy, which is something I can live with for about another year. After that, if there’s no resolution to this problem, I will absolutely have to look elsewhere, which I dread.
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[Philip Owens] ” The 17″ is FAR too big, sorry, and completely unnecessary. “
Don’t knock it till you try it.
[Philip Owens] ” After that, if there’s no resolution to this problem, I will absolutely have to look elsewhere, which I dread.”
Seriously, you can’t be serious. You’d buy a whole new setup with all new software (OS, NLE, and whatever other odds and ends such as the Adobe Suite) and all new hardware and all new learning curves and all new plug ins just because you think the 17″ is too big? Wow.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “[Philip Owens] ” The 17″ is FAR too big, sorry, and completely unnecessary. ”
Don’t knock it till you try it.
“I stopped using the 17″ model two years ago. It’s too big for my needs. I’ve been using the 15″. Especially when traveling on a plane, I found the 17″ too annoying because it was just too big.
As for dropping the entire platform because of a laptop, well that’s not going to happen here….
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[Jeremy Garchow] “all new hardware and all new learning curves and all new plug ins just because you think the 17″ is too big? Wow.”
but you have to know some of us are tied to the smaller form factor- I am appalled that Apple has taken out the most popular laptop for onset production leaving us with just an SD card slot – yet still calls the damn thing “Pro”
Even on the Still side what “PRO” camera uses SD cards and not CF cards? What part of PRO means that you have limited connectivity and no options for storage or accessories ?
I have never liked the 17″ laptop, it is just too big to be practical in a number of places I need to work in.
Have you ever opened your 17″ on an airplane? I work an average of 5-6 hours a week on an airplane, but if I am forced to get a PROFESSIONAL laptop- that will no longer be possible without carrying 2 machines. This is why I have chosen the 15″ laptop from the very beginning.
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[gary adcock] “Have you ever opened your 17″ on an airplane?”
All the time.
I understand everyone is mad about losing the Express Card slot in the 15. It is kind of rediculous, and Shane is right, it shouldn’t be a ‘Pro’ model computer. Altough, most editors and pro users that I know that truly edit on thier laptops use a 17″, but in the grand scheme, I know a miniscule percentage of editors.
Apple has been wavering on the laptop format the last couple of releases. They must be trying to figure out the magic combination.
Jeremy
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I use my 15″ to edit when I’m away from the office. And I transfer footage from my RAIDs to my G-minis or WD Passports. While I can finish projects on the laptop with this setup, the real finishing happens on the MacPro/AJA setup back in the office.
The magic combo is to give people options. I haven’t had a need for the ExpressBus on my laptop yet since I opt for smaller portable storage (preferably bus powered), but to remove it all together is not good. The 15″ and 17″ models should have an Express config to keep the “pro” title. No argument from me on that. Flexibility and multiple I/O make the MBPro a “Pro”.
As for the 17″ debate…. if it’s not your main edit machine, I agree it’s way too big. Pretty, but too big.
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I suggest leaving feedback about the removal of the Express Card Slot. I did (and about the lack of Matte option as well).
https://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html
Maybe they’ll listen.
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“[Philip Owens] ” The 17″ is FAR too big, sorry, and completely unnecessary. ”
[Jeremy Garchow] Don’t knock it till you try it.
Oh, I certainly have done. Like I said, it’s too big.
“[Philip Owens ” After that, if there’s no resolution to this problem, I will absolutely have to look elsewhere, which I dread.”
[Jeremy Garchow] Seriously, you can’t be serious. You’d buy a whole new setup with all new software (OS, NLE, and whatever other odds and ends such as the Adobe Suite) and all new hardware and all new learning curves and all new plug ins just because you think the 17″ is too big? Wow.”
Yes, I would. I do the vast majority of my editing on a desktop rig, but I absolutely must be able to take my edits around to mixes, colour sessions, finishing houses and when I travel. I don’t do finishing, so I couldn’t give much of a damn about how the pictures look on the laptop – they’re going to be finished with a pro somewhere anyway. After more than a decade cutting on Avid, I switched – eagerly and happily – to FCP, for software reasons. If I have to move again for hardware reasons, I can do that too – I still frequently cut on, and own, Avid. Avid runs very well on excellent PC laptops, and the projects are interchangeable with Avid on a Mac desktop, and both can hook up to eSATA or MXO. That would work for me, I’ve been thinking about this today. I don’t need to make a decision for a year though, so I’m hoping that it simply gets resolved. It’s certainly not something I want to do – dragging me back to Avid would be a little painful, but they’ve been improving a lot recently.
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Is there a way to make Apple people conscious that there are not only enthusiasts but also many production companies that have based their workflow on Apple Pro Apps products and that need to plan their investments on the future? I’m not going to build any new FCP-based suite if I will not know if their product line will be discontinued or sold to anyone else, and I don’t like to see that in fall 2009 I ‘m not able to ingest any P2 or RED files in FCP without converting them in QT files, or to make a BD without Adobe suite and a PC. If we’ll be forced to turn back to old Avid, tell us now! We’ll begin to collect money! But marketing people in Cupertino should know that even if Pro Apps is a niche market, it was the propeller for many to choose Mac instead of Pc and move other people to Apple products. If you focus on consumer products it will be a right decision, but if you lose your “evangelists”, sooner of later you’ll lose your brand. (How many ipods and iphones are we supposed to buy in the next years?).
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