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Old dogs new tricks
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[Bill Davis] “The point is that editors who are still mostly oriented to keyboard shortcut editing in a NON X environment will come looking to reproduce their editing experience in X. And this is NOT how things work. Instead, X has keyboard shortcuts that are specific to ITS workflow.
“Thanks for the link. The browser stuff is cool and indeed helpfull. The timeline editing is not necessarily specific to X’s workflow tho. Regular trimming and top and tail editing isnt an X specific workflow. Thats just normal timeline function except with a different key command and I was already aware and utilizing those shortcuts.
In order to get dynamic trim feedback, you need to use the mouse.
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[Bill Davis] “The most recent company to take a stab at improving the actual PROCESS of video editing was Apple with X. A particular editor may not agree that it improved anything, but it’s crystal clear that it was that – the desire to IMPROVE things that was the driving force behind the X rebuild. To IMPROVE editing for editors. “
You’re so right. Shame those blinkered fools at AVID and Adobe can’t appreciate the need to improve the editing experience.
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[Neil Goodman] “Im going to guess the first option.”
Why? This would seem like an offline edit that gets passed on to the VFX folks for embellishing. Granted many of the HUD overlays and even tracking could be done in X or in Motion. That’s why I wonder which part was done in X.
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[Neil Goodman] “The timeline editing is not necessarily specific to X’s workflow tho.”
Aside from these tips, the magnetic timeline concept came in with the original Media Composer (heads timeline view). Connected clips were there in DPS Velocity (master/slave links). Even audio “tracks” above or below picture tracks were used in some other NLE (I forget which). What Apple has done is nicely combined all of those into a modern approach.
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Why is this even the question? We’re talking about the viability of a tool. It’s FCP X OR NOT the Debate. This is an editor hired to edit on a high dollar project in a foreign (to us Americans) country using FCP X. And as such it’s on point whether he did the online, the offline or just pulled a cut list for a guy on a Steenbeck. And its germane to my contention that X is being viewed and used in high end editing more outside the US than it is here. Simple as that.
Or is the new slam at X that it somehow “limits” the type of editing an operator can do? That its only a viable editorial choice “within limits?” If that’s the argument, then make it. Where does X fail. And is the failure relevant and important. Because while, yes, X still doesn’t do OMF (an early stopper for some pro workflows), most people seem to acknowledge that the need to do so is kinda like the need to output type on photo paper for newspaper advertising. An echo of a time that better technology is pushing into history.
So if X somehow compares poorly to its competitors, then make the case why what X does is “less than” what Premier or AVID could do in a similar high dollar spot workflow – That way we can all better understand its limitations. Because that seems to be the contention here. Or am I misreading this?
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Why? Because it won’t be that long before we’ll all be competing for editing projects – on line – globally?
Or what precisely did you think Adobe Anywhere and iCloud are all about?
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[Oliver Peters] “3. No NLE is that difficult to learn.”
I think this might to too general of a statement.
Break it down to a specific task.
Let’s say removing background noise. Would that be easier in X or AVID for a student new to editing?[Oliver Peters] “4. The experience of folks in major markets (like LA or NY) at least, is that jobs where Media Composer is used often paid more than jobs where FCP “legacy” was used. So that would tend to reinforce why someone should stay with Media Composer skills.”
Yes, they SHOULD stay with those skills, the point some where making is that how long will they be able to.
You are saying that corps have to pay more to employees with AVID
Brother, you just made the argument why corporations will see X as a way to drive down cost.
The day rate going down across the board is obviously a bad thing for editors.
Many decision makers in the corporate halls are too clueless about X to figure this out right now but in the not too distant future, they will.I’m fine with them staying clues myself. I want the rate to stay as high as possible.
We all know the deal, the harder something is to do the more money you get paid to do it.
[Oliver Peters] “6. FCP X is not easier for young folks nor harder for old folks to pick up on. “
There are people who teach young folks for a living on here that say the opposite. I’m going to go with their opinion since that’s what they do every day. I don’t teach kids video editing for a living.
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Neil, while its completely true that top and tail trimming isn’t unique to X, and other NLEs have had “trim and close gap” functions, X’s magnetic timeline does add a productivity twist to it since it comes with vertical grouping and clip collision avoidance as the default standard.
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So the actual slug line for X should be: The best features of many other editing software packages – all rolled into one!
I can live with that.
; )
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Oh Gosh, you’re right Simon.
I so forgot that if I remark in public that my wife looks great, that automatically implies that the other women around her look like crap.
Or thinking someone who prefers vanilla ice cream, could ever also appreciate the value of chocolate or strawberry. How silly of me.
I keep forgetting these basic rules.
Reminder to self. Stop publicly praising X (and my wife) – to improve others impression of my equanimity.
I’ll get right on that.
; )
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