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Old dogs new tricks
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[Robin S. Kurz] “[Oliver Peters] “Speed comes in part when the software gets out of the way. ”
Perfectly put. And FCP X caters to that point like no other NLE imho. Whether you personally agree or not. As the quote from the project manager at Aztec goes that I’ve quoted before: “It feels as if Final Cut Pro X is designed for artists, while other editing systems are for operators.” … with which I think he nails it 100%. But sure, as usual, YMMV. Depending on your handicap that is.”
I gotta disagree. IMO FCPX is the fastest for prep/logging/organizing etc. and therefore feels more designed for AE work than for “artists”. As far as timeline editing goes, theres too much that needs to be done with the mouse and clicking and dragging. Im constantly reminded i’m using a piece of software once in the timeline, especially with all the hand holding animations,etc where as the other apps can be driven from the keyboard more efficiently, letting the software fade into the background. This is just my opinion obviously and everyone has there own style of editing.
what happened before FCPX? Did you only feel like an “operator”? were you not artistic in FCP legend? or Avid or Premiere Pro? That quote is super annoying to me for some reason.
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Then please somebody explain to me why at the highest levels, industry spends vast amounts on Continuous Process Improvement?
There’s a high dollar TV spot running right now (can’t remember the sponsor, so clearly it’s not targeted to guys like me!) where the consultants come into what looks like some assembly line situation and move the tools closer to where the workers need then and that improves productivity.
The spot rings true. No matter how good a thing is, it can be IMPROVED.
The most recent company to take a stab at improving the actual PROCESS of video editing was Apple with X. A particular editor may not agree that it improved anything, but it’s crystal clear that it was that – the desire to IMPROVE things that was the driving force behind the X rebuild. To IMPROVE editing for editors.
This, btw, was also EXACTLY the driving force behind the Premier re-design a few years before Apple did so.
I’m sorry, Oliver, but I have to disagree with you on this. The tools are NOT the same. Both Apple and Adobe (and likely AVID and all the rest for all I know) have significant efforts underway to constantly evolve and improve their tools. And they do so at different rates, with different constituencies needs in mind.
The case is easy to make that some editors will benefit from learning to use ALL the major programs. But other editors can do great concentrating on just one.
And yes, it’s possible to pick a poor choice if where your career is heading diverges from the type of tasks your tool is best suited to accomplish. Not because one can’t make the other tool work. But because one might not be able to do so as efficiently. And like it or not, efficiency is an increasing issue when budgets and productions schedules are under such wicked pressure.
Adam Epstein was on the road this summer talking about how Premier makes their tight deadline stuff easier via the Adobe approach. Just like Mike Matzdorff has been prominent talking about how FCP X made the Focus teams feature editing far more efficient compared to the AVID workflow they were used to.
So that everyone can learn the differences and similarities and decide what to study when.
To reduce it to “they all work just fine” is the equivalent to saying that Continuous Process Improvement is a stupid waste of time. And it’s not.
My opinion, anyway.
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[Neil Goodman] “As far as timeline editing goes, theres too much that needs to be done with the mouse and clicking and dragging.”
Uh.
Look, even experienced X editors sometimes have little clue about how much keyboard driving is actually possible.
As an example, take a few minutes and, watch as Steve Martin (an X editor from day one!) gets a lesson in one very small aspect of keyboard shortcut navigation from Sam Mestman on MacBreak Studio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW1Xledf12A
The point is that editors who are still mostly oriented to keyboard shortcut editing in a NON X environment will come looking to reproduce their editing experience in X. And this is NOT how things work. Instead, X has keyboard shortcuts that are specific to ITS workflow.
It’s not the tool. It’s learning to think like the tool so you can take full advantage of it.
My 2 cents.
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[Bill Davis] “Look, even experienced X editors sometimes have little clue about how much keyboard driving is actually possible.”
Since you bring itup maybe you know the answer to this one. Is there a keyboard shortcut for the “clear range” function n the mark menu? I’ve yet to find one but I figure I must be missing something simple.
Tim
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Option X clears one or more selected ranges in the EB.
And the C key selects whatever is under the “ball” in any storyline. A second tap on C deselects it. I see remarkably few X editors use these, but they are there. I think there was so much new to learn about X editing concventions that it’s taken a while for editors to dive too deeply into it.
That said, some editors like the guy in Brazil who cut this have likely taken the time to dig deep.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=akXmucCoQJ8
As I’ve mentioned, global adoption seems to be running seriously ahead of whats happened here in the US.
Sigh.
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And yes, it’s possible to pick a poor choice if where your career is heading diverges from the type of tasks your tool is best suited to accomplish. Not because one can’t make the other tool work. But because one might not be able to do so as efficiently. And like it or not, efficiency is an increasing issue when budgets and productions schedules are under such wicked pressure.
Man, that’s about it in a nutshell for me. I like FCPX. I really do, but it’s a poor choice for me due to it only being on one platform and needing so many different additional programs that the people I work with around the world may or may not use. Creative Suite has made me a better Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign artist. It’s made me a better After Effects user, Editor, Mixer and Colorist. My career requires me to be all these things. And the same requirements are on the people I work with. For me and my position, CC is most efficient.
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Thanks, Bill. Took a class recently and the instructor didn’t have an answer.
Tim
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[Bill Davis] “That said, some editors like the guy in Brazil who cut this have likely taken the time to dig deep.”
Which begs the question, what exactly was done in this spot using FCP X? The offline edit of the raw footage or the full comp, complete with effects?
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[Bill Davis] “As I’ve mentioned, global adoption seems to be running seriously ahead of whats happened here in the US.
Sigh.”
Why does it matter, Bill?
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[Oliver Peters] “[Bill Davis] “That said, some editors like the guy in Brazil who cut this have likely taken the time to dig deep.”
Which begs the question, what exactly was done in this spot using FCP X? The offline edit of the raw footage or the full comp, complete with effects?
– Oliver”
Im going to guess the first option.
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