Old dogs new tricks

[Oliver Peters]

[Bill Davis] “And I was noting that so far, I haven’t seen US agencies indicating that they are using FCP X at the level that some ad shops clearly are in Europe. “

Thanks for the clarification. That’s not how it originally came across, however (at least to me). Of course, what we don’t know is whether there are US shops cutting on X that simply haven’t received any publicity. @Radical comes to mind and after the initial hoopla about them, there seems to be little indication that they really have shifted to X as their main tool. Just one of many options. Or, they’ve just chosen to be quiet about it.

[Bill Davis] “then it’s fair to ask whether or not the mastery of this different tool across more industries could even possibly put US creatives at even a tiny disadvantage over time”

I agree that it could be possible, but it seems a stretch. That means that the entire range of creativity applied to a commercial hinges on a single tool. That would seem unlikely. It might increase efficiency within a single part of the workflow. I think editors who are very deep into Premiere Pro and After Effects and really depend on Dynamic Link might argue quite the opposite point-of-view.

In the end, agencies tend to pick the editor by his talent (or who works best with the director) and less on the tools they use. Agencies have never cared what I cut with, except when it doesn’t work 😉

– Oliver

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Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com

[Andrew Kimery]

[Bill Davis] “This is a forum centered about the use of FCP X. “

Or Not. 😉

[Bill Davis] ” It’s the same thing as reading that one of the Scandinavian countries (can’t recall which) has virtually weaned themselves off fossil fuels over the past decade or so. That might well provide them a competitive advantage if oil prices go north again. So it’s worth noticing. Thats all.
“

I never thought I’d say this but can we go back to using car analogies? 😉

[Robin S. kurz]

[Brett Sherman] “Yes. I agree this particular statement is a bit out of bounds.”

Yeah. Sure would be. Had anyone actually said it. Too bad that some people seemingly prefer to misinterpret and twist others’ assertions to, I guess, feed their own confirmation bias as a weird attempt at discrediting those that disagree? Another great example: Bill’s statement that has been vehemently discussed, but he, too, never actually made… funny how I and others got what was meant perfectly the first time around… hmmm…

– RK

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[Timothy Auld]

You said it.

Tim

[Scott Witthaus]

[Andrew Kimery] “has since evolved into a catch-all discussion area on the COW (though the focus is still mainly on discussing NLEs).”

Then we should re-name it and take FCPX out of the title. Like “What’s Your Favorite NLE and Why?” And then everyone could just flail away. Even the lurking Adobe guys….

I think having FCPX in the Forum title could be confusing and then intimidating to a new X user looking for advice (like the one I advised to go to the “Techniques” forum the other day).

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter

[Andrew Kimery]

[Scott Witthaus] “Then we should re-name it and take FCPX out of the title. Like “What’s Your Favorite NLE and Why?” And then everyone could just flail away. Even the lurking Adobe guys….

I think having FCPX in the Forum title could be confusing and then intimidating to a new X user looking for advice (like the one I advised to go to the “Techniques” forum the other day).
“

Renaming suggestions have been made before but obviously nothing came of it. I do agree having FCPX in the title might be confusing though technical questions pop up in here much less frequently than I thought they would.

[Scott Witthaus]

[Andrew Kimery] “Renaming suggestions have been made before but obviously nothing came of it.”

Tim?

I think the “debate” of FCPX specifically is over. If people want to debate, just make this the general “NLE Debate Forum”.

Scott

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter

[Jeremy Garchow]

I don’t think you can ignore why this forum started, and I think, still brings people to this very forum. If you change the name, you will lose some of the mystique.

Hell, just last week, there was a reignited tracks vs no tracks debate, which is essentially, X or not.

It’s not broken, no reason to fix it, and the debate still continues.

[Scott Witthaus]

[Jeremy Garchow] “It’s not broken, no reason to fix it, and the debate still continues.”

What’s the debate? It’s not about X specifically anymore. Change it to better reflect spirit of what the forum has become.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Scott Witthaus] “What’s the debate? It’s not about X specifically anymore. Change it to better reflect spirit of what the forum has become.”

I don’t know if you were part of that Honda thread, or this thread that was a subset of the Honda thread, it is still very much about X, the editors that use it, in what environments, or not.

It isn’t about Avid vs Pr, you know? It’s extremely rare that a thread is specifically started about another NLE vs another NLE (and the editors/artists that use them) that isn’t somehow related to X or Apple. It is the very frame of reference of this forum. Changing the name will change the frame of reference, and I’m not sure that would do any better than what is happening here, right now.

Now, changing a frame of reference is often a good and necessary step in order to move a conversation forward or offer new opinion in order to move the conversation forward. In the context of this forum, do you think a name change will invite more conversation than what is already happening here? My opinion is that it won’t, but I am often wrong.

The COW has methods to move techniques questions to the techniques forum, which is a subtle (albeit limited) way to have a vote in what is relevant to this forum. I do think that the debate and technical question should remain separate.

Jeremy