Is there a winner here between Canon and RED?

[Craig Seeman]

Darren my comments were about the value of 4K outside of 4K monitoring. You claimed lack of 4K monitoring was a factor. For many it’s not the deciding factor. 4K has value in the post workflow even when targeting 1080p. Unfortunately you take that personally.

[Herb Sevush]

[Darren Kelly] ” What I did was ask him not to respond to anything I said. I am within my rights to that opinion and request.”

No, you are not. well, let me back off that statement a bit. You are within your rights to say anything you want, even if it violates the meaning of a public forum. But I am encouraging Craig, and anyone else in that same situation to pay no attention to what you want.

You seem to think this is a private exchange. It isn’t. Even when there is a back and forth between posters it is actually addressed to everybody. You are trying to deny me the ability to hear Craig’s opinion of your posts, and you don’t have that right. On a public forum you do not get to dictate what other people should do, you only get to dictate how you choose to respond. If you want privacy you are in the wrong place.

I often, change that, I almost always strongly disagree with Craig, but I do not consider his responses trolling, even if he gets off the point somewhat.

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[Jeremy Garchow]

[Craig Seeman] “JVC has been showing a prototype at various trade shows. It’ll be under $10K from what I understand and it may be early next year. It wont be large sensor though.

I think it’s interesting where small vs large sensor cameras are being positioned in the market going forward. I wonder what new (not current) cameras targeting ENG will look like.”

I’m sure at some point 4k will be the norm. It’s going to take a while, though.

[Liam Hall]

[David Roth Weiss] “Liam,

In all honesty, I was kind of suggesting, in part, that no one on the FCPX Forum needed anything more than 1080p. Maybe that was a tad presumptuous, but certainly not a huge stretch. Right?”

Maybe a tad. FCPX does have 4K support after all:)

In truth, I did two jobs for 4K delivery last year and though I’ve done none this year I do expect to do a lot more cinema resolution jobs in the near future. 4K projectors will be the last piece of the puzzle to make this an affordable and exciting opportunity for my clients.

Liam Hall
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[Jeremy Garchow]

[David Cherniack] “Jeremy, you’re attacking his language and sentiment (and exaggerating his meaning) rather than his points, which are worthy of consideration.”

I am? Huh.

Words matter. Those were his words “won’t accuse you of fraud”, “bait and switch”.

From the very beginning, red has made a point that things will change and to count on them changing. So, change happened and this guy is upset. I need to read the whole thread and see where it goes.

He had unrealistic expectations and perhaps Red did as well. If it was easy, everyone would release a 4k 120fps camera for 6 grand. Today, it must not be possible.

[Darren Kelly]

You know Herb, I’ve been on and off these forums since they became available. I go back to before the COW was the COW. I’ve moderated, trained, and much more here.

I typically try and participate in a helpful manner, and then something like this happens.Someone decides to “Police” the forum, or I get trolled by someone like Craig.

It’s almost always someone who goes around thumping on his chest about free speech, or the one or multiple of the amendments from the US constitution, for which I care little as I am Canadian, and anyway, it’s usually mis-quoted or misapplied. Rights! or Your stepping on my rights, or you have no right etc, etc. I keep reminding myself, the only right I can guarantee is my right to ignore this place.

Then I just look at what I’ve got myself into, and remove my name from the membership, take the book mark off my browser, and forget about the place.

So, I’ll be doing that now. See you again in a few years if I remember – or is it forget about the crap I observed here.

Good Night

[Liam Hall]

[Darren Kelly] “I’ve moderated, trained, and much more here.
“

It amazes me that people who show such a lack of class, let alone a lack of knowledge, become teachers of this or any subject. Oh well, that explains my education, or lack of…

Liam Hall
Director/DoP/Editor
http://www.liamhall.net

[David Lawrence]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Some things just aren’t practical at this point, I guess. Have you ever used a Red before?”

Yeah, funny how the real world gets in the way. Hope they’ll keep working on it.

Never shot on Red, the closest I’ve come is playing with some 4K footage in REDCINE. It looked gorgeous. I’m a run and gun shooter so the Scarlet fixed seemed like my fantasy camera. Would love to be able to get >DSLR visual quality with real video camera controls and I/O. And the price…

I realize the workflow would be different, but I was willing to step up. I guess if it sounds too good to be true…

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[Jeremy Garchow]

[David Lawrence] “Yeah, funny how the real world gets in the way. Hope they’ll keep working on it.”

I’m sure they will keep plugging away.

We’ve done a small handful of projects with the Red One, one of them with some seriously corrupt media. And I still like it.

I know people might not want this particular form factor of camera, but once they work with the images, it’s all worth it in my opinion. I think it’s a pretty good price to be able to work at that quality. The raw system they have in place is very smart, they deserve some credit for that.

It’s also lends itself to specific situations and not fast turn around. The Canon will have an advantage there.

[Steve Connor]

[David Lawrence] “‘m a run and gun shooter so the Scarlet fixed seemed like my fantasy camera. Would love to be able to get >DSLR visual quality with real video camera controls and I/O. And the price…”

I’m mid-way through a project using a clients Sony FS100, very nice camera it’s halfway between a DSLR and an F3. Very easy to use and the AVCHD codec holds up much better than I would have imagined. I know it’s not in the same league as a Scarlet but it’s certainly a step up from a DSLR.

Just a shame there’s no HDSDI out.

“My Name is Steve and I’m an FCPX user”