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Is there a winner here between Canon and RED?
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[Rafael Amador] “[Liam Hall] “I’m not not sure what point you are making??”
The point is that when david wrote :
“I honestly can’t imagine why anyone would pick either camera over a Sony F3.
hi was replaying me about shooting plain HD (1080i50/60,p24/25… etc).
I’m sure David wouldn’t try to shot 300fps or 4K with an F3.[Liam Hall] “That said, the F3 supports fast workflows and is a great camera for 1080p”
Right that.
rafael“
I saw your comment. I thought David was making a general comment on purchasing the F3 over a Scarlet or C300 since he was pushing the F3 earlier in the thread. Either way, the ability to use EF lenses on Scarlet, take advantage of 4k capture and build a range of accessories that integrate with Epic make it a very attractive proposition for 1080 delivery.
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[Rafael Amador] “After seen this, i think they are cameras for very different kind of needs.
I wouldn’t compare the Canon with the RScarlet, but with the SONY F3.The Scarlet makes sense if you need to shot something different than standard HD.
But to shot HD I think I wouldn’t go to the Canon, but to the F3 because the SDI out options.”These newer generation red camera now have clean 1080p SDI out. If using a KiPro, you a even record camera metadata that will allow an easy reconform back to r3d if you want the Raw for color correction.
If not, then you can just use the 1080p ProRes files.
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[David Lawrence] “That’s a shame. I was soooooo looking forward to that camera. Was wondering what the story was.”
I’m sure if they could have done it, they would have.
Some things just aren’t practical at this point, I guess. Have you ever used a Red before?
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[David Cherniack] “I’m sure they’re crying for another reason, please as well. They would have sold a lot more units at 6-8k than at 20k. “
Yeah, but if you’re losing money on every camera when selling it 6-8k, then what’s the point? You can’t just arbitrarily set a price point.
Math is math, and I am sure that Red wanted to give its customers the best camera at the best price. I guess this is how it adds up. 4k for less then $10k. You can’t get that anywhere else.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I guess this is how it adds up. 4k for less then $10k. You can’t get that anywhere else.”
JVC has been showing a prototype at various trade shows. It’ll be under $10K from what I understand and it may be early next year. It wont be large sensor though.
I think it’s interesting where small vs large sensor cameras are being positioned in the market going forward. I wonder what new (not current) cameras targeting ENG will look like.
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Darren –
This is a public forum. While it might seem addressed to you personally, when Craig, or anyone else, posts in response to something you write it’s actually addressed to everyone. If you don’t like the content, you don’t have to read or respond, but you don’t have the right to tell anyone else not to post a response. If that’s what you want, then stay off public forums. I for one am interested in Craig’s remarks, even if I disagree with most of them. They were not personal until you took that tone. So I am posting this to encourage Craig to respond to you or anyone else whenever he feels like he has something to add.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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Liam,
In all honesty, I was kind of suggesting, in part, that no one on the FCPX Forum needed anything more than 1080p. Maybe that was a tad presumptuous, but certainly not a huge stretch. Right?
David Roth Weiss
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Los Angeles
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Herb,
[Herb Sevush] “you don’t have the right to tell anyone else not to post a response”
I’m not taking away any of his, yours or anyone else’s rights.
His post was directed directly at me. Read the 2-3 above, and we were talking to each other.
His post had nothing to do with the question – or statements about the topic at hand. It’s about people’s opinions on Red and the new Canon camera.
As usual, he’s trolling. You want to encourage it, fine with me. What I did was ask him not to respond to anything I said. I am within my rights to that opinion and request.
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[David Cherniack] “Then again, this person makes some interesting, if hard to dismiss, points.”
The guy didn’t get the camera of his dreams, and accuses them of fraud, or kind of does, but doesn’t. Bait and switch. That’s some pretty tall accusations.
No one is probably more disappointed than Red themselves. If they could have done it, why didn’t they? Perhaps they shouldn’t have announced the fixed as an option, as a matter of fact they made a new policy to stop speaking about unreleased items: https://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?62908-Philosophy-change…&p=813888&mode=threaded#post813888
Like Bill Davis said, it’s a tough crowd out there.
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Jeremy, you’re attacking his language and sentiment (and exaggerating his meaning) rather than his points, which are worthy of consideration.
My own point of view is I’ve never taken anything Red says as written in stone so I’m only a little sad that I won’t have a 3k 120fps run and gun in my camera repetoire. And I’m sure that Red feels the same. As nice as the new Scarlet is, it’s a different form factor,
David
AllinOneFilms.com
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