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Is it all over?
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[Bill Davis] “Of course, there’s always the clueless bozo over in the corner saying “Dammit, I liked the OLD parking lot.””
Or perhaps there’s one who thinks all of that RFID stuff is a violation of their privacy. You know, like knowing your pattern of how long you park there and when, which gets passed along to someone who burglarizes your house? Gathering information can be a double-edged sword…
It’s important not to outrun our headlights… and all this cloud stuff is coming faster than people can evaluate it’s impact. All this home automation comes to mind. Are we at a point yet where we really know whether having an app that can unlock the doors to your house is definitely a good idea? Using old school locks at least reduces the number of people that are capable of breaking in.
Which brings me to an amusing thought. It appears that the biggest deterrent to car theft these days is having a manual transmission. Apparently the number of people who know how to drive one has dropped off precipitously…
See how I brought it back around to cars?
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Bill Davis] “If you think the stuff in X is all smoke and mirrors, I feel really sorry for you.”
I was just having fun with your little story Bill, I don’t think X is smoke and mirrors.
Your story reminded me of a great producer I worked with for many years. Back in the 80’s, when the web was first taking off, we were pitching work at the big Wall St. investment houses. When asked if he had a website Geof always said yes. I asked him why he said yes when I knew he didn’t have a site. He said the guys we were talking to never went on the web and barely knew what it was, to them having a website was just an indication of cool. “But what if they do go to check out your site?” “I’ll just tell them that its down.” He laughed and, by the way, we got the job. Years later, when it actually made financial sense, he built a site, but I always remember that bit of wisdom. So lets say my little post was just an homage to Geof Drummond.
[Bill Davis] “short spot stuff is about all that’s going to be left for those who edit with a dumb NLE rather than one bolted onto a DAM/Database system. “
All NLE’s are DAM/Database systems. X has keyword collections, which I agree are very powerful and valuable, but the lack of them will not prevent me from efficiently cutting long form on other systems.
[Bill Davis] “You can string out 40 potential shots on a dumb timeline and pick from among them visually, no problem. When you have 400 (or 4000 clips!) flooding in from every direction to manage – things are different. “
My current series has over 2000 clips. I’m not overwhelmed. Feature and documentary editors have been dealing with thousands of clips for decades – there are systems of organization and file naming conventions that make this quite possible. They managed to cut Apocalypse Now without X, I think I can handle a cooking series without it as well.
Also, my timeline is not dumb. Fat and ugly perhaps, but not dumb; and now you’ve hurt her feelings.
[Bill Davis] “Remember, not many years ago, running 10 cameras on a scene was a big, expensive deal. Now *I* can pull 10 cameras together to shoot something with a couple of phone calls and the promise of buying my colleagues lunch. And that’s where we’re going.”
3 years ago I was the one trying to convince you about a future where a 25 camera iPhone sourced documentary had to be taken into account when designing a multicam editor, while you were arguing that 8 angles would be more than sufficient for X, so I do get a little galled with your lecturing to me about the future of multi-camera editing. But only a little.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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As one of the ones dragged kicking and screaming into working with FCPX, since the latest upgrade, I am now liking much of it. One thing I wish a third-party developer would tackle, though, is creating a new DVD and BluRay authoring app that would synergize with FCPX.
I know, the cloud, blah blah blah. Yes. We’ll stipulate to that. Meanwhile, I have plenty of clients that still want, and will continue to demand for years yet, DVD or BD with full navigation features, like the movies they rent on redbox. Share to a BD or DVD burn is a stopgap that works okay for making things like spots, but with DVDSP and Adobe Encore both basically EOL’d, there’s a need in the market for something that had the same features as those apps.
Optical media authoring with menus and all the navigation tools we’re used to having. That will talk to FCPX and Motion, or at least import their files. Get busy on that, somebody, please, I’ll buy 2.
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[Marcus Moore] “Of all the new ideas FCP X introduced, like skimmable thumbnails, trackless editing, magnetic timeline, connected clips, metadata-based organization, roles…”
Marcus,
You haven’t been paying attention to the history segments here in the forum.
Franz.
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“Introduced” is a broad term. I’m sure many of these things had been experimented with in some form or another at some point in time.
They were new to Final Cut, and many of them differentiating factors from the other major NLEs.
My overall point is that they haven’t done lots of backtracking- but if one out of a dozen ideas didn’t work out for them- that’s pretty good.
I can still see the rational behind the separated Event Project structure, but it was just too confining in lots of other ways to make it’s potential benefits worthwhile.
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We are in that transition period where the DVD is a technology on it’s way out and everybody knows it, so developers have to be saying to themselves, should I invest the time and effort into making a product that has limited life.
Will I make enough money off it?
I’m sure if they thought they could they would.
Folks these days want to look at video on their phones and pads. They want to be able to be mobil and look when they want where they want.
I try to steer clients away from DVD’s (thank God many don’t ask anymore) and if they still want it I farm that part out to somebody else.
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Bill, the trouble is when they re-paved the parking lot they forgot to paint lines on to tell people where to park, and the arrows directing them round. And they installed a big, big magnet at one end of the lot. Now it’s just chaos, cars ten deep unable to move and nobody knows where any of the keys are…
(said with tongue firmly in cheek)
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We have a very strong union town here.
All of our stations are represented, so when I attend a meeting it’s a chance to find out what a great deal of folks are doing in the market here.
As I attended a meeting last week, X came up. While folks liked a lot of the features, they said they didn’t really have time to learn it.
Legend was working for them and they knew it and were fast on it. They are not shooting anything 4K so they didn’t feel any pressure to move.
I think that’s one of the main things X is up against. I don’t think they would take time to learn any new system unless they really had to.
Some of them have taken to it and love it and some feel like at some point they will get around to it.
I understood where they were coming from. Just keep on doing what your doing until it becomes a problem.
It’s just gonna take time.
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Tony, the “market” isn’t one monolithic thing that all people must slavishly follow in lockstep: there certainly is a large niche, particularly in the events video sphere, and to a smaller extent, in corporate/government/institutional settings, where DVD and/or BD is going to hold strong for a good ten years yet. Yes, cloud and youtube and vimeo are the trend. But just ONE trend. There are plenty of people out there that have their reasons for not migrating as fast as everyone else.
“Making” people migrate to the cloud just to be modern isn’t just arrogant, it’s bad business, because it is leaving money on the table. It’s my opinion that a developer that can work from well-established base code, and doesn’t have to create everything from scratch, could efficiently make the product I and others want, and make good money off of it, for years, perhaps a decade. There is money to be made there: certainly not billionaire-class money, but “comfortable living on into retirement” money? Heck, yes.
Particularly, because Apple, Adobe, and all the “cool kids” are not bothering to pick up the small change laying on the floor. The thing about small change is, pick up enough of it, and you have enough for bus fare and something to eat. There is and will be a place for authoring optical media for some time yet. And an opportunity, for a clever designer who can craft the missing piece to the puzzle for people who need it. That is perfect third-party developer territory.
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[Mark Suszko] ” DVD and/or BD is going to hold strong for a good ten years yet.”
10 years is a LOOOOONNNNGG time. I wouldn’t hazard to guess tech trends on that timescale.
You’re right that there’s no one answer. But I’d be very curious to know the advantages to disk distribution from those still asking for it. In many cases the answer may simply be- “that how we’ve been doing it.”
I think the assumption that someone is going to have a disk player of any sort has already reached it’s apex and will only decline from here out.
Again, I’m not doubting people have situations where they’re asking for it- I just see the reasons dropping like flies on a very short timescale.
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