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Is it all over?
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[Marcus Moore] ”
You’re right that there’s no one answer. But I’d be very curious to know the advantages to disk distribution from those still asking for it. In many cases the answer may simply be- “that how we’ve been doing it.””Making a DVD and having the end user only be responsible for putting a disc in a player is about as idiot proof as it gets. That’s a major advantage when the person on the other end of the line can’t give you any more information than, “Bob told me to tell you to send us a video so we can play it at our sales meeting.”
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Exactly. OUTSIDE of the “cloud”, there is very little out there that is as goof-proof, multi-platform, and easy to use as optical media. If you compress in h.265 ,burned as data to 2-layer BD, you’ll have almost as much on a 50-cent disk as people now shuttle around on USD external archive drives. They’re easy to mass-replicate, cheap to mail, durable yet also cheap enough to be disposable as well.
Hollywood isn’t giving up on pressing discs just yet, either. While it may be fewer than before, it’s certainly still making them money. Some people want a physical piece of media, period. For whatever reason.
It serves a purpose, for a shrinking but still lucrative customer base.
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[Steve Connor] “Haven’t seen it this quiet here for a while, did FCPX win?
“Not won, perhaps, but “winning” certainly.
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It’s not me “making” them do that.
I would prefer that people not watch my work on their phones. You can’t get the full impact that way.
But it’s not about what I want, it’s about what THEY want. Folks tend to want to watch stuff where and when they want to do it.
Somebody is waiting in the doctors office and they flip out their phone and watch a safety video their boss wanted them to see while they are waiting. Happens all the time.
I don’t make the tends, I just keep up with them. That’s good business.
I can give them a DVD the same as you, I just farm that part out now if I need to.
I used to make my own labels and all that junk.
If there is such a huge market for it you shouldn’t be having such a hard time finding plenty of people to make what your looking for.
Right?
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[Mark Suszko] “Hollywood isn’t giving up on pressing discs just yet, either. While it may be fewer than before, it’s certainly still making them money. Some people want a physical piece of media, period. For whatever reason.”
Yeah… disk based media may be dying, but I agree with you Mark, it’s going to be a really long, drawn out death. Streaming media is great for casual viewing or training material, but when I want a better viewing experience, Blu-ray is better than anything I can watch online or even on cable.
Shawn
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[Andrew Kimery] “Making a DVD and having the end user only be responsible for putting a disc in a player is about as idiot proof as it gets. That’s a major advantage when the person on the other end of the line can’t give you any more information than, “Bob told me to tell you to send us a video so we can play it at our sales meeting.””
I agree with this to a point. If that’s the case, a sales meeting that folks are at I can see that.
Most folks got SD DVD players and when more and more stuff was being shot HD they where not gonna get the HD quality out of their SD player.
A friend just sent me a video he did for a company that was just this feel good employee video.
Shots of folks just having fun and the history of the company.
It was on Youtube. Years ago that would have been sent out I guess as a DVD or shown at a party once.
When you want to keep something long term a DVD is great for that also (until they stop making players).
I just bought Frozen because my brother worked on it and I want to keep it.
I see the need, I was just explaining why I don’t believe folks will line up to make DVD software in the future.
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[Mark Suszko] “Optical media authoring with menus and all the navigation tools we’re used to having.”
Optical media authoring has become a niche market. If you want more than Toast does, you might have to buy a PC and spend some money on the authoring package.
Sony offers DVD Architect Pro (for DVD and Blu-Ray), and both Blu-print and DoStudio (for advanced Blu-ray). Scenarist is still kicking around, too, and I think they have a Blu-ray version.
Last time I had to deliver DVD (maybe a year ago?), I used Encore. It’s not dead yet, and it’s nowhere near as dusty as my BVW-75…
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[tony west] “If there is such a huge market for it you shouldn’t be having such a hard time finding plenty of people to make what your looking for.
Right?”
Not necessarily, because software development isn’t a generic practice. My guess is that the skills needed to make deep, highly functional disk authoring applications aren’t that common… and probably expensive because of that. Even at the height of the DVD revolution, there weren’t very many applications (maybe less than 5) that could do more than rudimentary menu creation and image mastering… and maybe only two or three that you could consider high-end (scripting, specialized encoding engine, workgroup functionality, etc.). It’s sort of like the market for 3D rendering software… lot’s of potential customers, not very many developers.
Question back to you Tony, if the market for disk based media is shrinking so rapidly, how is it that DVD and blu-ray titles are so ubiquitous in retail?
Shawn
EDIT: That last bit may have come off a little snarky… didn’t mean it that way. Just posing an honest question. 🙂
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[Marcus Moore] “”Introduced” is a broad term. I’m sure many of these things had been experimented with in some form or another at some point in time. They were new to Final Cut, and many of them differentiating factors from the other major NLEs.”
Marcus,
If by “introduced” and “experimented with” you mean “implemented” and “featured” then we are recognizing that FCP X adopted these concepts from other software.
An incomplete history, thanks to Oliver Peters, Micheal Gissing:
Non-standard interfaces include the original Premiere (also a Ubilos product), Quantel Harry (which used a vertical filmstrip metaphor) and Jaleo (now SGO Mistika – which uses a type of trackless timeline). You could also count the original Lightworks interface in this as well.
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/12231Avid had a magnetic timeline function early on.
Mistika had trackless timelines.
Media 100 (and others) had A/B-roll timelines.
DS had a container function (not unlike compound clips).
DPS Velocity had clip linking/grouping functions.
Avid and Premiere Pro had Find and Custom Sift functions with show/hide capabilities.
Various NLEs had combined A/V tracks separate from V-only and A-only and Title-only tracks.
Various NLEs used a single viewer window.
ArtBox (then FC Server) had the database functions.
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/41434“The templates for sophisticated track based non collision editing like Fairlight were known to Apple.”
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/48567
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/48558
(note that “non-collision editing” is better than the recently fashionable ideological misnomer “non-destructive timeline”)
“Roles look like how a database engineer would add bussing.”
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/48567Franz.
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[Shawn Miller] “if the market for disk based media is shrinking so rapidly, how is it that DVD and blu-ray titles are so ubiquitous in retail?”
Retail hasn’t figured out a way to sell a downloadable file in the store?
https://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304887104579306440621142958
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