Is it all over?

[Marcus Moore]

Thanks for the recap, Franz. I think I remember most of these conversations.

Very glad I didn’t say, “Invented”! 😉

[Franz Bieberkopf]

[Marcus Moore] “Thanks for the recap, Franz.”

Marcus,

It’s all Oliver and Michael – I’m sure there’s more from David Lawrence somewhere with the right search … I suppose the thanks goes to Tim as well for keeping the resources alive.

Franz.

[Shawn Miller]

[John Davidson] “[Shawn Miller] “if the market for disk based media is shrinking so rapidly, how is it that DVD and blu-ray titles are so ubiquitous in retail?”

Retail hasn’t figured out a way to sell a downloadable file in the store?”

Retail includes online; Amazon, Target, WalMart, Costco, Barnes & Noble, Sears, etc. Not only are DVD and and Blu-ray titles still being produced in quantity, but DVD and Blu-ray players are still readily available from a wide variety of retailers, online and B&M.

EDIT: I also meant to add that many brick and mortar stores also sell iTunes, Amazon and Barnes & Nobel gift cards… so, there are your downladable file sales. 🙂

Shawn

[John Davidson]

And yet their market, according to the article I linked, it declining.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.

[Shawn Miller]

[John Davidson] “And yet their market, according to the article I linked, it declining.”

The article requires a subscription to read the full story. Please note that I didn’t dispute that the market was shrinking. The point that I’m making is that the market isn’t exactly dead, and IMO, it won’t be dead for a long time. Again, the fact that new titles and players are so accessible, doesn’t exactly support the notion that the format is going anywhere anytime soon. Remember, this talk has been going on for nearly eight years now. According to “analysts” and “industry insiders” (circa 2006-2008), Blu-ray was only marginally better than DVD, and Blu-ray would be dead by 2012… still waiting.

Shawn

[Jeff Markgraf]

how is it that DVD and blu-ray titles are so ubiquitous in retail?

The same way VHS tapes hung on for years after the majority of people switched to DVDs.
The same way networks insist on protecting the 4×3 frame years after it’s almost impossible to buy an SD television.

Inertia.

And there’s always a little more money to be made off the late adopters (like my friend who refuses to give up his dot matrix printer). I just smile and wish him well.

[Shawn Miller]

[Jeff Markgraf] “how is it that DVD and blu-ray titles are so ubiquitous in retail?

The same way VHS tapes hung on for years after the majority of people switched to DVDs.
The same way networks insist on protecting the 4×3 frame years after it’s almost impossible to buy an SD television.

Inertia.

And there’s always a little more money to be made off the late adopters (like my friend who refuses to give up his dot matrix printer). I just smile and wish him well.”

I don’t think this is a good comparison. VHS and cassette tapes were both supplanted by superior formats. Blu-ray still offers many advantages over streaming video; higher quality, lower cost and portability. I’m also not convinced that inertia explains why you can pre-order first run titles for a supposedly dying formats. Personally, I don’t think disk based media will meet the “true death” until streaming media can reliably deliver an equal experience at a similar price point. Until then , I think things will pretty much continue as they are; people will watch both, some will favor streaming, some will favor watching disks… very few people will take an either or approach.

Shawn

[Bill Davis]

[Mark Suszko] “The thing about small change is, pick up enough of it, and you have enough for bus fare and something to eat.”

Not quite sure how too many of us can be a successful version of THIS guy…

https://nypost.com/2011/06/20/got-his-mined-in-the-gutter/

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[Michael Gissing]

I still have to make DVDs/ Blurays for archives, funding bodies, fetival applications and sale. I don’t like it as I also have to make the various files for master archiving (ProRes etc), web and now DCPs. So I seem to be just making more deliverables. Only thing that has changed is I rarely make digi beta or HDCam tape masters but still they are often on deliverable lists and still get made.

When I bought the HDCam deck seven years ago I knew I had to get five good years out of it to break even. I gambled and won. The digi beta has long been a winner after owning it for over ten years. The fact that I still need to support these basic broadcast formats is in spite of the hype broadcast technicians told me seven years ago that all deliverables would be digital files not tape within five years. So it seems entirely reasonable to predict a market for optical media that could last another ten years. Once again on this forum it shows that there is still a huge diversity of work flow and markets that we feed.

[Tony West]

[Shawn Miller] “Question back to you Tony, if the market for disk based media is shrinking so rapidly, how is it that DVD and blu-ray titles are so ubiquitous in retail?”

Hi Shawn, this a little bit different from what I was talking with Mark about. I was referring to corporate video production when in years past they would ask for a DVD to show employees and now they ask you to just put it up on youtube or their own site.

Like when I have to watch safety videos for FOX and ESPN remote work and they have thousands of freelancers around the world. You go to the site to watch. Crazy to try to send out dvd’s for something like that.

As far as people buying movie DVD’s, yeah people will be doing that for a while I’m sure we all agree, but even with that I don’t see people in the airport with portable dvd players as much as I see them watching movies on their iPads. Maybe that’s just what I’m seeing.