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Is FCPX really worth it?
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[David Roth Weiss] “While there are many things I prefer about the Adobe suite, unless Hollyweird gets in bed with Premiere I’ll have to go with Avid, like it or not. It’s strictly business…”
Thanks, DRW.
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This being an Avid town, and I too being Expensive-lance, I use what is put in front of me. And that will more and more be Avid. For side projects I will be exploring Premiere Pro. The current job I am doing with it is a winner thus far. Working natively with a consumer cameras avi files. No rendering, background or otherwise.
But it still lacks features I need in Hollywood bays. So Avi will be the mainstay. But I do see it poised to take over the FCP 7 market here. If they do things right
Shane
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The switch was a no brainer for me. Im still cleaning up a few straggling projects in FCP 7 but since at my day job, its been all avid from the get go the decision was pretty easy. I already knew it, and I know i can still get freelance work with it. The only struggle i had was jumping to version 4 to 5.5 but once i changed a few settings i was cruising
When a client asks for PPRO, then ill pick it up. Ive always been up to date with the adobe suites so it will cost nothing to set up, just a couple days i imagine to get comfy with the shortcuts.
Out of curiosity, What is PPRO missing for you Shane thats in your opinion is keeping it out of Hollywood bays? I only ask, cause ive never come across it in LA and on paper its feature sets seems inline with FCP7. Up until know i thought it was based solely on reputation.
Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production – NBC/Universal
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[David Roth Weiss] “The entire NAB SuperMeet thing was an incredibly stupid blunder that put Apple in a hugely defensive position from day 1. Making a last-second grab at NAB with all the histrionics and drama they drummed-up for their vapid 45-minute sneak was completely unnecessary, likely ego driven, and very foolish. And then springing the EOL of FCS3 on everyone two months later without any warning was just the icing on the cake that made the whole mess unpalatable.
If Apple truly had a hard time imagining their set of choices, they could have and should have waited.”
I’m sorry David but what you wrote above is almost totally revisionist history.
Were you even at the Supermeet? You couldn’t have been – unless you had some kind of terrible cold that made you functionally blind and deaf.
I was one of the guys helping Michael Horton and Dan Berube run the SuperMeet and your description is so disconnected from reality as to be LAUGHABLE.
I was the guy managing the admission line, I was tstanding with the team from Apple and the Security guard who finally took down the rope and let people in. I don’t work for Apple, I’m just one of the guys who helped Mike start the LAFCPUG at their first meeting.
The attendees applauded, gasped, and even CHEERED regularly throughout the meeting as feature after feature was unveiled.
It was only AFTER THE FACT when the “pros” started picking at it days later in forums like this one that the “story” started to focus on what it lacked rather than what it what it was at that introduction.
And above, sorry, but in my view you’re continuinga history of SPIN in the face of FACTS.
What everyone there saw was Randy unveil feature after feature. The Magnetic Timeline, Clip Collisions, etc. etc, etc, and the crowd LOVED every darn second of it.
Don’t believe me? Go search out the Video Clips of the meeting. They’re on the web.
VAPID? Not by any stretch of the human imagination.
I’d welcome anyone else who was actually in the audience to weigh in here.
But let’s keep things real. OK?
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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No, the drama hasn’t been worthwhile.
Apple often creates genuinely “disruptive” products, and some people here are giving this same terminology to FCPX. They’re wrong though, because this product is not disruptive in a good way and I guarantee it is only increasing the sales of their competitors – both on the lower end (Adobe) and the higher end (Avid). I highly doubt that FCPX is even making strong inroads to the consumer community we think it’s marketed towards. It’s probably (just a guess) one of Apple’s worst selling software packages.
What surprises me nowadays is that people are still even talking about FCPX in this “debate” sort of way. I visit this FCPX forum because it’s become a venting place (ie. a place where editors are actually ‘talking’ and not just shouting tech-specs, which we do too often) – but I honestly don’t care about what actually happens to FCPX. There’s too much to love about Premiere CS5 and Avid.
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[Neil Goodman] “What is PPRO missing for you Shane thats in your opinion is keeping it out of Hollywood bays?”
– Shared project workflows. Multiple editors working with the same projects and media.
– Weak Multicam
– Weak support for IO cards (I’m using the AJA Kona LHi, and Adobe is sluggish with it)
– Media management. Because it works with media natively, there’s no way to import only what you need…yet.
– Trim tool. Doesn’t really have one that I see.
There are small things here and there. But I’m sure with CS6 we’ll see something to contend with. But yeah, Avid will be the main staple in this town.
Shane
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“It’s probably (just a guess) one of Apple’s worst selling software packages.”
I’m curious on what you base that assessment. Until recently it was the second highest grossing app on the App Store, second only to the Lion OS.
All the best,
Tom
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In my small market, FCP X has made no impact. In an FCP town, no-one has switched from FCP 7 to X, although a few have gone to CS5.5. I know there are suburbs in New York that have more people than Tasmania but the lesson is the same. A lot of effort has gone into a turkey that one day may become a thanks giving dinner. Meanwhile we, like Apple, must make pragmatic business decisions. Unlike Apple we are happy to openly discuss ours.
Like most here, I watched the videos and the Tweets of the NAB supermeet. I recognised the herd mentality with the oohhs and ahhs and appreciated the wise views on that day from people like Walt Biscardi who started asking the questions that were ultimately answered in the negative with the release of FCP X.
And finally to answer DRW’s question. No – FCP X has not been worth it. Overhyped and under done on release, along with the EOL of FCS3 has spooked the horses. The modern world runs on consumer confidence. This forum is a typical litmus of the loss of confidence in Apple for professional editing.
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[Tom Wolsky] “Until recently it was the second highest grossing app on the App Store, second only to the Lion OS.”
Well, it does cost $300, and the other apps range from $.99 to $4.99 on average. So that has to be taken into account. Oh, and does that take into account the refunds issued?
Shane
GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD…don’t miss it.
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I still don’t see it as the loser app others are making it out to be simply because it has a higher price than average. The refund rate was well below 10%. And these numbers are only sales without any account of how ridiculously easy it is to pirate.
All the best,
Tom
Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP7,” “Basic Training for FCS” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
Coming in 2011 “Complete Training for FCPX” from Class on Demand
“Final Cut Pro X for iMovie and Final Cut Express Users” from Focal Press
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