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Is FCPX really worth it?
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[Oliver Peters] “There seems to be pretty good anecdotal indication that the majority of the “2 million FC users” are actually FCE and not FCP/FCS owners/users. If that’s true then, in fact, FCP X is a very worthwhile replacement for FCE. So the reality may be that FCP is really dead without any replacement suitable for advanced workflows. From that frame of mind, the uproar Apple started is probably good PR to get the FCE base interested.”
Well, that certainly does not seem to jive with few things Apple has published about their intent, so I find this rather confusing Oliver. But, this entire episode in NLE history is totally confusing, so adding additional confusion is only fitting.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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[David Roth Weiss] “Well, that certainly does not seem to jive with few things Apple has published about their intent,”
I think their intent is simply to merge the two products and err on the side of the broader market, which is the less demanding customer base.
Oliver
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What are your future NLE plans?
Oliver?
Anyone else? Has anyone made ‘the decision’ to switch?
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Steve Jobs’ hobby is doing quite well precisely because it’s willing to give up some customers for the potential of a great many more. That potential market in a marginal portion of their business made the risk, however great, well worthwhile. If it fails not much is lost to Apple; if it succeeds it’s a nice revenue stream. Either pro apps turns some good numbers, make sales, and develops new customers, or it fails and not much is lost by Apple in the larger scheme of things. It’s a classic strategic gambit that almost never has a down side. Throw out an expendable part of your force if it has a chance to create major disruption and have more impact that it should warrant. The usual result is a minor victory without much consequence to the overall plan. Sometimes however it creates tipping points, not that I think this is going to be one of them.
All the best,
Tom
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“There seems to be pretty good anecdotal indication that the majority of the “2 million FC users” are actually FCE and not FCP/FCS owners/users.”
I’ve seen this suggested before but I’m not sure what it’s based on. One statistic I can offer is the that traffic on the Apple forums was about three larger for FCP than for FCE.
All the best,
Tom
Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP7,” “Basic Training for FCS” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
Coming in 2011 “Complete Training for FCPX” from Class on Demand
“Final Cut Pro X for iMovie and Final Cut Express Users” from Focal Press -
[Jeremy Garchow] “What are your future NLE plans?”
Since I freelance, the decision is up to my clients and most are hanging onto FCP7 as long as possible. Some were also burned by the EOL of Xserve and FC Server, so they aren’t really happy with Apple, yet at the same time, many of them – like some on this forum – are holding out hope that Apple will still change the app. At least one has put out a corporate edict of no more Apple products, period. I think that’s a bit extreme, but this customer has also had less-than-satisfactory support with an Xsan system. Where I have influence I am advising against FCP X because it simply doesn’t fit their workflows. I am recommending Premiere Pro or Media Composer depending in their comfort zone.
Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Tom Wolsky] “but I’m not sure what it’s based on”
In my case, it’s a statistic given to me informally by a number of plug-in developers based on their perception from sales. No hard and fast numbers, though.
Oliver
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[Tom Wolsky] “If a market has reached or is nearing saturation, it becomes necessary to change the market. FCP probably exceeded the number of “professional” editors in the world. It was clear there was really no room for growth. “
I understand that you can’t see what is going on out of the USA, but the room for FCP growth was simply HUGE.
The USA will always a key market for Apple because is their natural market (they can’t try to bring nowhere else what doesn’t work at home), but in terms of money and users, the USA market represents a fraction of Apple market.[Oliver Peters] “In some ways we may be viewing the metrics entirely incorrectly. There seems to be pretty good anecdotal indication that the majority of the “2 million FC users” are actually FCE and not FCP/FCS owners/users.”
I don’t know where this idea comes from.
Up to the posting in the COW FCP forums i would say that for every FCE user there are at least 10 FCP users and up to what I know about the video community in tree or four country FCE haven’t had no penetration at all.
rafael[Jeremy Garchow] “What are your future NLE plans?
Anyone else? Has anyone made ‘the decision’ to switch?”
At the moment no rush, but when needed I guess I’ll go to PP.
In the past I’ve been long complaining about the crazy Adobe prices politics (in many places more than a 50% over the USA prices). Now they are much more reasonable.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “DRW-
What are your future NLE plans?”
I’ve been pretty openly courting Avid. We’re fooling around a lot, but not sleeping together just yet, primarily because my clients haven’t green-lighted that move for now.
While there are many things I prefer about the Adobe suite, unless Hollyweird gets in bed with Premiere I’ll have to go with Avid, like it or not. It’s strictly business…
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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[Oliver Peters] “Since I freelance”
Well, I’m sure you mean expensivelance.
[Oliver Peters] “Some were also burned by the EOL of Xserve and FC Server”
This is the underrated dark horse of the whole debacle, if you ask me. Lots and lots of money was lost to expensive FCServer installs with the associate network, much more than a few iMacs and fcstudio, with truly no replacement. That would be maddening for sure. (On a side note, metaSAN is pretty kick-ass by the way. Sorta crazy, but amazing).
Thanks for your answer.
Jeremy
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