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Exactly.
Bin structure was fine in Premier. There was no reason that it should have taken 100 leaps back in time when the program went “Pro” The very first building block of the new program should have been a flexible bin structure that allows for easy sorting and retrieval of media. This program should not have made it out the 1.0 door without this. The fact that we are now two releases down the road without this being fixed leaves me stunned. I just can’t believe it. I really can’t believe it!
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I have no confidence in this method. Users and testers have been presenting this bin structure problem since September of 2003, when PPro 1.0 first came out. This method has not worked through two revisions. The problem, though frequently reported, has not been taken seriously.
I am finished sending the same feature request over and over. In any relationship there comes a time when you just have to accept the fact that the other party is not listening, and move on!
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“Who’s that?”
In Edius, Media Management, at least as far as sorting and retreval goes, is an absolute delight! A typical project for me has two or three thousand clips that I like to sort through four or five layers of folders. In PPro this is a nightmare. In Edius it is a breeze! I gave up features and endured learning a crazy interface to get this, it was that important to me. Now, whenever I have to open up an old PPro project to make some tweeks for a client, I am reminded once again what a pain PPro is on this point and I can’t wait to get back to Edius. I was hoping 2.0 would solve this, but to my absloute amazement it has not.
For me, editing is a pain to start with. Frustrate me everytime I need to sort or find a clip and your program is not likely to remain my program of choice. Make my editing time easy and you will win my mind (and my credit card).
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Well, I for one am voting with my credit card this time round. I have three seats of PPRo 1.5 and will not be updating any of them. Last summer I moved to another solution, primarily because of the bin structure issue. I had high hopes for 2.0, and was fully planning on coming back once the bins were fixed. But, now that is clear that this problem has not been addressed, I will be staying with a program where media sorting and retrieval is a delight rather then a pain.
I believe Pat has hit the nail on the head. Even though Adobe markets their video package as a “Pro” product, the developers apparently seem to be stuck working with consultants that are either hobbyists or working in a very narrow venues that do not require large amounts of clips in any given project.. (Wedding Producers, please know that I have the greatest respect for what you do and do not mean to imply that you are not “Pro”) If they truly want to market their editor to documentary producers, they need to start working with and listening to the simple requests of documentary producers.
If Adobe would like to grow in the market they need to research the needs of all sectors of the market and design their product based on the needs of the users that they want to attract rather then the volume of feature requests. If you only have a few documentary producers in your user base because of defects in your design, you are not going to get a lot of feature requests for the missing elements.
If anyone from Adobe is listening, please consider this advice: Having a bin structure that makes it easy to sort and retrieve clips is not going to cause you to loose any of your loyal client base, and it will help you open up other market sectors. It seems like a
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I have sat down with someone who is on the design team for PPro who sat there and told me that he “hates the bin structure of PPro”. There has got to be something going on here that is more then, “not getting enough feature requests”.
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It would not seem wise to wait until NAB. I fear that there would be too much movement over to FCP. After making the investment in the hardware, who would come back in April?
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Some of my projects reference 20+ hours of interviews and Broll. All of the audio for this material is already at 48K. There is no good reason that a product with a Pro designation should not have a user switch for this feature. I can understand how some things get overlooked on a release, but I cannot understand why Adobe has not released a patch to fix this and a few other oversights. If not a patch, why not a new release?? It is one thing to wait 1.5 – 2 years between releases of a product or product fixes when you are dealing with a program for hobbyists, but when professional people are making your living with your software, I would think that you would want to keep the upgrade flow going pretty swift, if you want to attract or keep your clientele. There are other options out there. The cost of switching is not that much…. 1.5 is getting “very long in the tooth” Other options are looking very atractive.
I know that every time I complain about the slow releases someone will write and say something about how many people complained that the last release from 1.0 -1.5 was too fast and that Adobe was just looking for a quick fix of upgrade income. Really? People don’t have to upgrade. They can skip a few versions. It is a choice. For me, if just one new feature saves me only one hour of time or frustration, it is worth the cost of the upgrade. I would have my credit card out every month, if I knew that a feature would save me time.
Just release it already, and let the users decide if it is worth it to them to upgrade.
My 2 cents, again…..
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OK, I feel silly. Turns out she had her output display settings on automatic, and I have mine set to Highest Quality. I guess with her Duel Xeon setup she did not notice a problem when set to automatic where as on my system it looked bad.
I feel embarrassed that I posted such a simple problem with such an easy fix! It has been such a long time ago that I first visited that setting, I forgot that it was there. Funny that grabbing a section from a sequence that has that setting and pasting it on a new sequence that is set to Highest quality would cause that setting to change
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Oh, one other thing…
The individual files that came with the trimmed project play fine when droped in a new sequence so it is not like there was anything bad with the files themselves.
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Imaginate is not an editing program. It is a program designed to work with still images only. Take a high res image into Imaginate, and with a key framable time line you make move in or across the image. When you like what you have you export it to an AVI file and bring it into PPro, with no memory problems. It is a real timesaver if you are working with still a lot.