Media Management

[Pat Mcgowan]

Add to this the inability to apply effects and/or settings “globally” to clips on a timeline and the positive attributes (which are many) of PPRO 2.0 pale, quickly.

[Steven L. gotz]

Actually, it is quite simple to apply effects to multiple clips on the sequence. Just apply them to one and then copy and then Paste Attributes.

It would be handy to be able to have bins work like Windows Explorer, but Adobe must not have recieved enough feature requests to put it into the product. Add your name to the feature request list by putting in your own request.

[Chris Knight]

you can also apply an “adjustment layer” (I forget what premiere 2.0 calls it) to apply a pile of effects to multiple clips at the same time…

[Ron Shook]

Steven,

[Steven L. Gotz] “It would be handy to be able to have bins work like Windows Explorer, but Adobe must not have recieved enough feature requests to put it into the product. Add your name to the feature request list by putting in your own request.”

That’s all well and good to have feature requests go through the standard channels and be toted up on lists for implementation when it can be gotten to, but that certainly doesn’t measure the anguish of the long form, heavy duty editor with thousands of sources, who grits his or her teeth all day, every day because a necessary feature wasn’t implimented because it wasn’t necessary to the short form or light editor, and didn’t get enough numbers on the list. Those absolute numbers of the feature request list need to be tempered with judgments about the quality and overarching nature of the requested features, not just the numbers.

So, I sure hope that Adobe has someone of stature in their shop that monitors this and other heavily used forums and that together with those like yourself, who perhaps have their ear, can provide that tempered judgement that goes beyond the absolute numbers to the core of useability.

Ron Shook

[Video Opp]

I have sat down with someone who is on the design team for PPro who sat there and told me that he “hates the bin structure of PPro”. There has got to be something going on here that is more then, “not getting enough feature requests”.

[Paul King]

This is a funny thing, I have never heard of this before.

Are ya pissed yet?

You actually put the point across well and you are correct.

BTW – transparent video in Premiere has very limited uses – I dont think it works for mose effects (it does for TC burn in).

Pat’s also right, copying and pasting FX is fine, however because you cant clear all effects from a group of clips, you cant easily make a change to the FX across all those clips when you repaste – you get duplicate FX.

I think we need a bit of “are we there yet?”. “are we there yet?”.
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Here’s ya bloody media management now stop saying that! :]

Paul

[Dave Friend]

Paul,

Are you trying to tell us that, like exasperated parents, Adobe is ignoring us and considers our questions as petulant cries?

Dave

[Pat Mcgowan]

Petulant, now there’s a word you don’t hear every day.

When I hitch my wagon to a vendor I do not want to listen to my editors complain about slowdowns in workflow, I do not want to listen to my editors complain about missing features like the lack of global effects, I do not want to listen to my editors compain about system stability. I do not want my editors to worry that they are riding the wrong technical horse and limioting their career paths. I do not want to be left out in the cold by a big corporate machine.

It’s the same old story and it’s getting a bit stale. After several years as a PAYING CUSTOMER of software/hardware vendors, I am losing my tolerance for the old “hurry up and wait for the next version” for features and reliability that should be fundamental in a product offering.

Adobe, listen to your users and get the basics right. Bring some heavy hitting professinal users in to your product development pipeline, now. I guarantee that it will pay dividends in your quest for market share and after sale revenue.

[Video Opp]

Well, I for one am voting with my credit card this time round. I have three seats of PPRo 1.5 and will not be updating any of them. Last summer I moved to another solution, primarily because of the bin structure issue. I had high hopes for 2.0, and was fully planning on coming back once the bins were fixed. But, now that is clear that this problem has not been addressed, I will be staying with a program where media sorting and retrieval is a delight rather then a pain.

I believe Pat has hit the nail on the head. Even though Adobe markets their video package as a “Pro” product, the developers apparently seem to be stuck working with consultants that are either hobbyists or working in a very narrow venues that do not require large amounts of clips in any given project.. (Wedding Producers, please know that I have the greatest respect for what you do and do not mean to imply that you are not “Pro”) If they truly want to market their editor to documentary producers, they need to start working with and listening to the simple requests of documentary producers.

If Adobe would like to grow in the market they need to research the needs of all sectors of the market and design their product based on the needs of the users that they want to attract rather then the volume of feature requests. If you only have a few documentary producers in your user base because of defects in your design, you are not going to get a lot of feature requests for the missing elements.

If anyone from Adobe is listening, please consider this advice: Having a bin structure that makes it easy to sort and retrieve clips is not going to cause you to loose any of your loyal client base, and it will help you open up other market sectors. It seems like a

[Carlitos]

“you can also apply an “adjustment layer” (I forget what premiere 2.0 calls it) to apply a pile of effects to multiple clips at the same time..”

.- Nope, you can’t.

The “invisible layer” (that’s the name) is only for a very (VERY) limited number of effects.
Only the Generate-type fx, like Timecode, particles or Knoll lights will work.
There is no change (at all) or possible adjustment on the layers underneath using this invisible layer.

It’s just an ordinary, simple and vulgar alpha channnel, like a title layer.

Would have been a NIIIICE feature to have an adjustment layer, not the “invisible layer” bad joke.

Anyway, Premiere never have had an adjustment layer (still doesn’t), so at least it’s not a bug or a step back.

If we lived without it before, we will survive.

But it would have been a NIIIICE feature and a good selling point.