March 7, 2006 at 5:33 pm
“you can also apply an “adjustment layer” (I forget what premiere 2.0 calls it) to apply a pile of effects to multiple clips at the same time..”
.- Nope, you can’t.
The “invisible layer” (that’s the name) is only for a very (VERY) limited number of effects.
Only the Generate-type fx, like Timecode, particles or Knoll lights will work.
There is no change (at all) or possible adjustment on the layers underneath using this invisible layer.
It’s just an ordinary, simple and vulgar alpha channnel, like a title layer.
Would have been a NIIIICE feature to have an adjustment layer, not the “invisible layer” bad joke.
Anyway, Premiere never have had an adjustment layer (still doesn’t), so at least it’s not a bug or a step back.
If we lived without it before, we will survive.
But it would have been a NIIIICE feature and a good selling point.
March 7, 2006 at 5:48 pm
The same with the cumbersome and clumsy Multicam implementation in 2.0
We never had it, so at least is not a step back.
March 7, 2006 at 7:03 pm
March 7, 2006 at 7:10 pm
No I’m saying you need to cry more petulantly in order to get this one over the line. I am with you all on this, the problem is that there’s not been enough of us in Adobe’s face about it.
When we see these posts it’s very hard to sit here and say nothing, however as a tester that’s all NDA allows me to do. Did I ask for MM repeatedly – yes. Was I drowned out by “I want to make a DVD from the timeline cause I cant be arsed authoring a DVD” – hell yeah.
Unfortunately I have to take it up the arse over v2.0 because I test, even though I cried petulantly about these issues.
March 7, 2006 at 7:58 pm
[Video Opp] “I have sat down with someone who is on the design team for PPro who sat there and told me that he “hates the bin structure of PPro”. There has got to be something going on here that is more then, “not getting enough feature requests”.”
Yes…and it isn’t like a few of us who supply Adobe with input on these things haven’t been asking for these features…and, yes, many of us have some credentials.
I think there has to be a technical limitation in there somewhere, because separate bins have been asked for incessantly since PPro arrived on the scene, from all types of users.
March 7, 2006 at 9:24 pm
In Edius, Media Management, at least as far as sorting and retreval goes, is an absolute delight! A typical project for me has two or three thousand clips that I like to sort through four or five layers of folders. In PPro this is a nightmare. In Edius it is a breeze! I gave up features and endured learning a crazy interface to get this, it was that important to me. Now, whenever I have to open up an old PPro project to make some tweeks for a client, I am reminded once again what a pain PPro is on this point and I can’t wait to get back to Edius. I was hoping 2.0 would solve this, but to my absloute amazement it has not.
For me, editing is a pain to start with. Frustrate me everytime I need to sort or find a clip and your program is not likely to remain my program of choice. Make my editing time easy and you will win my mind (and my credit card).
March 7, 2006 at 9:40 pm
I’d sure be interested to know if there is, in fact, a structural barrier to the implementation of a flexible bin structure. I don’t feel like getting led around by the nose by Adobe for the next several years.
Fact is, as far as we can tell, that this and the lack of an ability to apply and unapply effects to a series of clips are the two major gotchas with PPRO. Fix these and lots of doubters will flock to the product.
So……..any product management types from Adobe care to enlighten us (the customers)? Hmmmmmm???
March 7, 2006 at 10:32 pm
Can you please tell that person to push for MXF support for panasonic’s P2 cameras.
March 8, 2006 at 2:09 am
[Paul King] “Was I drowned out by “I want to make a DVD from the timeline cause I cant be arsed authoring a DVD” – hell yeah.”
Paul if this really was the case then that speaks volumes. I can’t really believe that. If that is where their focus lies it doesn’t bode all that well for professionals who don’t really make alot of DVD’s but who just print to tape alot. . . I just read this thread after posting my earlier response. . .Oh well.
March 8, 2006 at 1:37 pm
I think it’s fair to say that a lot of video professionals (no disrespect to those who do not make the living using these tools) have made a decision to buy PPRO and find it wanting in a few critical areas.
Adobe developers and product managers: pay attention and get this message to management!! Get this stuff done (mxf support, media management, global effects manipulation) as a first priority for a patch. There is a lot of pent up need in the market and if Adobe does not respond, it may miss a significant percentage of market share. In other words, you’ll miss major $$$$, maybe that will get the message across?
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