[Trevor Asquerthian]

Yes, thanks for responding Simon *but* I knew that and that wasn’t the question….

😉

[Trevor Asquerthian]

[Bret Williams] “I like just about everything in X except editing at this point.”

Wow!

[Trevor Asquerthian]

[Jeremy Garchow] “Why would you need it?”

T – to select all clips forward on this storyline from the selection point – e.g. to apply the same filter

TT – to select all clips backward on this storyline from the selection point – e.g. to delete them

TTT – to select all clips in the storyline at the selection point – e.g. to apply the same surround pan setting

TTTT – To select all the clips & connected clips, in all storylines from the selection point to the end of the timeline – e.g. to drag an opening or close a gap.

The question is the same as ‘why would you need to select any clip or selection of clips?’ really.

Why I would want to select them *that way* is that it’s quick… keyboard, click in one place and away we go.

T doesn’t make sense as they are no longer tracks.

Also a feature that allowed quick selection by roles could prove very useful.

[Trevor Asquerthian]

Thanks, I had figured the click / shift click. Keyboard will always beat the mouse 😉

Hopefully TTTT will make it back in some guise… (without the tracks, of course)

[Trevor Asquerthian]

So you’re saying FCPx is some kind of ‘modal’ editor?

That sounds really cool.

😉

[Trevor Asquerthian]

I’ve long since given up on any manufacturer listening to my feedback.

Based on your suggestion that the primary storyline was where the issue was I used a title as a placeholder – seems to work fairly well. Driven me a bit further in getting to know FCPx so thanks for that.

The image below shows how I can trim one edit and have the large majority of my sequence, either side of the trim, retain sync.

Music usually needs reworking in such an instance anyway.

Does require a bit of care with where connections are… but it does move those connections quite sensibly when they meet the trimming edge.

3737_masteredit3norenders.fcpxml.zip

is the xml of that sequence, in case anyone has any better ideas. Timeline view is smallest with Roles visible. Media is irrelevant.

[Trevor Asquerthian]

Hi Jeremy

Thanks for your thoughts. This is a purely hypothetical timeline whilst I figure out if FCPx is worth the time and effort of getting to know. So that’s what is ‘driving’ my edit here 😉

In the real world different elements drive a cut at different times. In a doc the dialogue / VO will set the initial story, but then the contents of the video or SOT might further drive it – then the music will drive a tighten of it – then legal might dictate the direction once the whole structure is in place, necessitating the kind of trim in the first picture.

I did wonder if the trick is to keep the primary empty – moving clips into it as they need editing, but I don’t think that is the way this is set to work.

Don’t get me wrong… I see a lot of potential in the trackless timeline / roles / keywords / connected clips / compound clips… but if I can’t trim even as simply as this:

then I’ll be waiting for 10.0.4 (or a paying job) before spending too much more time on this 🙁

[Trevor Asquerthian]

Larry,

I said that I could see ways of ‘almost’ achieving it. And mostly I think that was probably wishful thinking 😉

OK I just had a stab, with my very limited FCPx knowledge, at it and I’d have to do lots of the trims individually.

No amount of compounding, connecting, moving connect point, lifting out of storyline etc could really help me here.

Which is a shame as it looks like it is potentially way ahead of Avid in many other areas.

But trimming is *quite* an important part of my current paradigm.

[Trevor Asquerthian]

Thanks for giving it your thoughts… I can see ways of *almost* achieving it using compound and connected clips (moving the connection point) etc.. but not in a way that is easily incorporated into everyday workflow.

I trim like this every day. FCP7 isn’t so bad at it… although I’m more likely to do it in a couple of steps rather than all at once. All tracks forward (that Avid doesn’t have properly implemented) is handy in this regard.

Is MC really the only editor that does bidirectional trimming properly though? Here’s hoping FCPx has it on their roadmap.

[Trevor Asquerthian]

Forget the range thing.. now it is working – dont select the connected clip first