Tony West
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[Oliver Peters] “In order to move around big chunks in X with a lot of connected clips, you first have to adjust where the clips are actually connected, otherwise they won’t travel along correctly.”
Not necessarily. Just depends on what you are trying to do in the timeline. I move chunks all the time without adjusting where clips are connected.
Not to mention that when you get there stuff moves out of the way.
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[Neil Goodman] “Its very rare that Im taking a huge chunk of an edit and moving it to later or earlier in the piece. “
You are not making the argument that X isn’t faster moving huge sections, you are just saying YOU don’t do it very often.
For folks that do it often, that’s huge.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “For example, the one frame gap clip to make sure you don’t lose your music when you delete your first clip is actually a workaround that tries to fool the default behaviour of the timeline – this is not a problem you face in conventional NLEs, it’s just one of the things you have to live with in FCP X. But it’s not a “feature” to get excited about – its a limitation that you have to know about!”
He didn’t really have to make that one frame gap clip though. He could have held down the tilde key while hitting delete or if he wanted to keep the position, then just be in the position tool and then do the same thing. Either way that music would stay : )
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[Neil Goodman] “Thats my point – and thank you for punctuating it.
Editors need a reason to switch – a bunch of people saying “hey look its faster”, month after month for the last 7 years obviously hasn’t made a difference to them or overridden the bad rep it got at the start.”
You are actually making MY point. In order to have a “reason” you need to know about the reason. That’s what he’s doing. He’s trying to reach folks who might not know about what he’s pointing out. If they already knew what he was saying there would be no reason to tell them.
I think you and some others feel like most editors are paying attention to forums like this and sitting around constantly taking about different NLE’s. I almost never hear anybody doing that. I convinced people to try X either by showing them tools or telling them about it. At no time did any of those folks say “I already knew that”.
I tried X because I saw videos online (like this one) showing different tools. There are over 8 thousand people that have seen that clip in a couple of days.
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[Neil Goodman] “Why would an editor take the time to learn something new if he never gets to flex that new knowledge or no ones going to pay him to use his new skills?
“Ask Beal why he did it.
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[Neil Goodman] ” that after 7 years – someone of his stature has to have a demo and tell people,” hey look we can do that too, and it might work better for you. ”
“Because so many people don’t know about it. Many have never used X. I speak with people all the time about it and most have never tried it.
[Neil Goodman] “why after 7 years do people still doubt FCPX as a viable tool?”
Because they don’t know what they are talking about. They are working with a program that is working for them and they don’t have a reason to try something different.
Avid wasn’t completely working for Beal, so he gave X a try and found it very “viable”.
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Thanks for posting the clip Oliver I really enjoyed it.
What’s interesting about it is that Beal is an “insider”. He is Avid user and makes his money mostly with that tool. He doesn’t really need X or to even talk about it. He’s already at the top of his game in that arena . He also fits into Oliver’s description of an older industry vet.
He admits that Avid is the “king player” in Hollywood but he’s not totally satisfied with it and he explains why.
He talks about having to think differently to use X and we all know that.
He’s talking to people in Hollywood doing the type of work that he does that might not know about the tools that X has. He’s challenging people who are likely his colleagues to take another look. That’s all.
His example are good, like “Dialogue Cheats” (“Best way I’ve found”) “Music browser”
He doesn’t want people to switch to it if they don’t want to, he’s just saying “did you know you could do this with it?”
When I would see a letter carrier driving their vehicle with the steering wheel on the right side I would think to myself, “that’s got to be weird to get used to since your personal car you have been driving for years is the opposite”
I’m sure once they get used to it the mail delivery is much faster than if they were on the left side.
FCPX…………….it’s a letter carrier’s vehicle : )
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[greg janza] “The trashcan came in with a loud thud in 2013 “
I figure some of that was because folks couldn’t afford it? It was like 3k without a monitor I seem to recall.
The iMac Pro is 5k before you add anything to it. I know folks who want one but don’t know any that own one.
If it doesn’t jump off the shelves I don’t believe it’s all about people hating it.People’s wages haven’t kept up with these high end boxes or a lot of other things in life.
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[Andrew Kimery] “Why doesn’t every project shoot on 70mm IMAX? Because it’s overkill for 99.9% “
If the client is paying you to shoot that way then you do it.
Many clients in broadcast tell YOU what they want it shot with. Other clients are trusting that you will do what’s best for them. If they are a small business and you bring in something that’s too much for their needs and charge them for it you are taking advantage of them.
“good enough” Can become a moral question sometimes.
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[Robin S. Kurz] ” But obviously some feel their “pro-ness” horribly threatened by the mere notion that someone could actually be doing a perfectly good if not great job and making more money than them with such “paltry” tools (not just cameras of course). “
I don’t doubt you are doing a great job with your phone Robin. I don’t doubt that people can sneak phone video passed clients without them knowing it. I don’t know if you make more money than me or not, I don’t really know you. I wouldn’t bet mad if you made more, I’ve accomplshised everything I wanted to in this field.
I was just curious how you were pulling it off on certain types of jobs. The thing is, I think this forum almost needs to be broken down to different job categories. I’m surprised when I read things on here just how different needs are a certain jobs. It’s hard to believe sometimes. I’d rather compare notes with people who are doing the same jobs I’m doing.
When I first posted, my point was that I don’t believe clients want to pay the same rate for a phone as they do for a higher quality camera if they saw you using it on the job.
Do you say to the owner of the company on the set that’s writing the check “Hey, this is gonna look almost as good as a more expensive camera. Trust me. Btw, I expect the same rate”
I didn’t believe that wold play well, and I still don’t.