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FCPX or R15?
I find the Resolve threads here fascinating. 2.5 million FCPX users notwithstanding, is Apple playing catch-up now to Blackmagic Design and Resolve? It amazes me that a community where a trackless UI was so thoroughly embraced, now looks at Resolve 15 (tracks and all) as something even better. Why?
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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I’ve been trying out Resolve 15 over the past few days. I’m coming from Premiere and before that FCP7. It’s pretty amazing, and extremely free. If you’re paying Adobe every month – it may be time to move on. Resolve was a colour corrector last time I looked, and an industry standard. Now it’s just an option along the bottom of the screen, along with Edit, Fusion and Colour
As for FCPX? Well…….
Bernie
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[Oliver Peters] ” is Apple playing catch-up now to Blackmagic Design and Resolve?”
I say no. The metadata searching and organizational attributes of FCX make it a stand out app. THAT to me is more important than an NLE with pro audio page and VFX page. How many editors also do high end audio mixing PLUS high end VFX? I know that more and more we need to wear more hats, so the audio I can see…VFX, not so sure. As an editor, organization and finding footage is far more important…
Bear in mind, I haven’t seen DR15 in the flesh, as I don’t unofficially beta test.
Shane
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[Bernard Newnham] “…I’m coming from Premiere and before that FCP7. …
As for FCPX? Well…….”I completely get that folks coming from other NLEs would find Resolve intriguing. I just find it fascinating that FCPX users would want to go that route. Unless, of course, FCPX is missing something major or the whole “trackless, “magnetic” thing was just an interesting novelty for awhile. That’s the part that I don’t really understand.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Shane Ross] “Bear in mind, I haven’t seen DR15 in the flesh, as I don’t unofficially beta test.”
It’s just a download away. ☺
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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Having played with several versions of Resolve, including the “very” beta R15, I would say this is a non-discussion. Perhaps you would be better posting this on an Adobe site or Avid.
IMHO, FCPX is FAR better an editor than R15. Faster by a mile. Far better interface. Way more stable. And it can do about 80% of the other stuff Resolve does.
I don’t believe in this “good enough” BS and neither do my clients. As a storyteller, I choose the best product to make their story come alive, and that happens to be X right now (it was EMC, then Avid, then FCP7). Resolve, to me, is a very good color correction tool, and in the hands of a colorist, it;s great. But that’s the point. If a client’s project needs more CC than my skill set can provide, that’s when I go to an expert on the tool that’s best for that which could be Resolve. But to try to make a comparison between X and Resovle is (IMHO) silly.
And Oliver, didn’t you say that Avid and Discreet failed in their attempt to make the “all in one” system. So why do you think Black Magic can do any better?
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Visual Storyteller
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[Scott Witthaus] “Perhaps you would be better posting this on an Adobe site or Avid…..
……And Oliver, didn’t you say that Avid and Discreet failed in their attempt to make the “all in one” system. So why do you think Black Magic can do any better?”I really only see that much interest here among FCPX users, except for the anti-subscription crowd on the Adobe side. Hence, my fascination with the question. I do know some Avid folks who have expressed interest, but more out of curiosity.
As far as all-in-ones, I don’t feel that the concept, as designed, will necessarily win out in the marketplace – except maybe for the price. So I’m not posting from either a pro-FCPX or pro-Resolve POV.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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I would tend to disagree. There is HUGE interest among the abandoned DS group (I think you are a member of that forum). With the Fusion integration, this might be the product they have been wishing for. The Avid folks I know see Resolve as potentially the Symphony they never had. God knows what Adobe is thinking…
As Steve said, Resolve is this product that gets a lot of interest around NAB then just fades back. I would say if R15 is taking any market share , it’s from Avid or Adobe. FCPX is kind of the outlier here and probably for the best.
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Visual Storyteller
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Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
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I agree with Scott that we should choose the best tool for the job. That’s why I’ve never been able to use X as it’s not close to being a finishing tool for sound and grade for me. That’s why Resolve is critical to me and all those pages are making the tool much more useful as I move from three computers running standalone software to one running Resolve. But I finish and editing for me is part time and usually simple. That’s about to change on the doco I am producing. I will edit in Resolve simply because the huge advantage of not translating and losing work via xmls outweighs the differences between X and Resolve as edit tools.
The difference between X and Resolve as finishing tools is becoming even greater with V15. They are not comparable. The difference between X and Resolve as edit tools is much closer and for many the difference is small enough to consider given the huge advantage of a genuine single system that Resolve is so close to achieving for me. (I still prefer Fairlight standalone)
All that said, I would never tell an editor they must use Resolve in order to be compatible with me. They should and do use whatever they feel gives them the best result. I think the reason this is being discussed more here is this is the debate forum after all plus of all edit systems, X seems to have the slowest pace of development and that must be of some concern to users.
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I think Scott hits the nail right on the head.
I really like the way Resolve is evolving. It has been part of our companies’ workflows from day 1, and it will continue to be part of my toolset as it continues to grow. I think it is a wonderful addition to Final Cut Pro X, and both apps work together pretty well. Having seen the Premiere and Resolve demos on the NAB floor, as well as the “what’s new” presentations of both companies at the SuperMeet, it is crystal clear now that Blackmagic is going directly for the Adobe video customers with Resolve.
The Supermeet presos felt like a pissing contest, with Adobe and Resolve presenters fighting each other for showing off the largest numbers of new features. During the Premiere presentation, a dozen of (very young and very eastern) BM guys in black stood at the end of the hall watching every move of the Adobe presenter and making notes. You could feel the negativity build up as the presenters started to openly criticize the competition. Each of the companies had also brought their own cheerleader team to the venue, who sat among the crowd (the room was 2/3 full) and made sure that there were some applause and some cheers with every new feature that was announced. It was so obvious that it actually felt cheap, on both sides.
The day before I was at the FCP Exchange event where some 350 people (I have counted) attended the Apple presentation. The room was full, some people had been waiting in the corridor for some time to get in, and many attendees were standing against the walls. No word about any other NLE or any competitor, just a relaxed demo of the new things in FCP X followed by a show from the Ripple guys and a great case study from the director and the editor of “Despacito”. Quite some honest applause from the crowd, no cheerleaders needed.
Apple was also extremely present on the NAB floor. I think they clearly know that they are right on track (pun intended) with FCP X and that they don’t have anything to fear from anyone. Because there really is no competition for FCP X as an NLE. Either you like it or you don’t like it, and today there seem to be many, many people who like it. For the others, there is a shitload of track-based, “feature-packed” solutions to pick from.
So I hope that Adobe and Blackmagic will stimulate each other as they fight for the same client base. I honestly think that Avid is safe for another few years (unless they go broke). But, however this turns out, it will have zero effect on what Apple will continue to do with FCP X.
– Ronny
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R15 is the first rev of Resolve that has legs. Most of the pieces are there on the edit side but R15 still does not have the polish and flexibility of FCPX. I am doing a short clip as we speak and it’s going well but the rough edges are definitely there in terms of the video side of the equation. Have not worked much with Fairlight and am just starting to learn Fusion but the integration of these modules, along with color grading, is seamless and very well thought out. IMHO, Apple should by BM and integrate the apps as both programs are really good without question. BM has a real winner here once they get all the pieces in place to enable one to do the complete job of sound, edit and composition in one easy to use app. Price point is terrific and having it run on all major platforms is stellar. Will post the clip once it’s done.
As an aside, the stabilization is like FCPX, excellent to a fault.
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