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FCPX or R15?
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resolve is great but the performance of FCPX is unmatched. apple closes up its system more and more, making it difficult for devs to come close to any underlying processes. i love resolve and use it besides FCPX daily. for me, those two tools combined really shine and trump all the other contestants. resolve wants to be a lot, not all parts are there yet though. and the interface/settings are a lot like adobe, which means over-complicated and bloated. then again, it’s constantly growing and changing, blackmagic is talking to users and pros alike.
my crystal bowl says something like: resolve will kill adobe on mac very soon. now that it has fusion built-in. avid will still stick around due to the great tools it has had since the beginning and the deep connection to TV and film. but then there will be FCPX still standing with its unique magnetic timeline approach and ‘real’ non-linear editing, amazing speed and easy-of-use. with the new color tools of 10.4 and captions it basically has everything one needs.
easyDCP even released their publisher for FCPX now, you can export for cinema directly from within your timeline. even less reason for resolve (which i use on a daily basis for mastering DCPs). yes, resolve has some great/better tools and tries to present the ‘all-incl’ solution, but i see me going back to X all the time even though i love resolve.
on windows, resolve is even more interesting, it brings many of FCPX’s features and workflows, including fantastic media management (where adobe really falls through).
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[Scott Witthaus] “Avid and Discreet failed in their attempt to make the “all in one” system.”
Never mind the amazing success of SMOKE doing the same, right? What a marketshare. ????
I personally believe BMD are setting themselves up for a BIG world of hurt with the whole “all-in-one” thing. Which is why I’m hella glad that I’d say it’s pretty much 210% sure that Apple will never opt for that path with Motion & Co. Thank god. I’ve spoken to many software engineers, ALL of which have said that patch working apps together like that is a developmental and support NIGHTMARE in the long run.
And sorry if I don’t buy the imho sanctimonious, feigned “wonderment” over the usual hubristic chatter of a negligible few. Who are these supposed many exactly? Actual people where you think “Yeah… I totally trust their judgment!“? Names? Links?
Or maybe just the “I’m just one download away from automatically becoming a PRO and super VFX master AND can stick the finger to Adobe and Apple!” crowd (the last part of course being by far the most important one) that aren’t any one thing in the end after all?
Or maybe some that throw it out there for a little inflammatory-fun? (Hmmm… like who?) That never get past the beta or a “Hell, it’s free“-download themselves? In which case… who cares? What’s the news at 11 here? I don’t see it. Strikes me as rather click-baitish, sorry. As if it was ANY different with the last few updates? Er… no. A never ending cycle. ???? Move along… nothing to see…
And just looking at ProRes raw… who exactly is leading and who will be following again? ????
But then I can only speak for my world of course… where I have a lot to do with a lot of editors, post houses etc. etc. etc. … and have yet to bump into anyone that doesn’t know what they have in FCP (and it’s a LOT more than just “trackless” and “magnetic” ????). I for one don’t see anyone (using X) taking Resolve terribly serious as AN EDITOR in comparison. Certainly not as a replacement. But certainly various others that download it for other “pages”… just as before. But as of 10.4 there are a lot less people going to Resolve as before for the coloring. Me being one of them.
And in the end, all I have to see is something like THIS (posted elsewhere as an example for brilliant “organization”)…
… and I immediately know that even the most “extreme free” anything could NEVER get me back to the clearly inferior concept of “tracks” (never mind the ghastly, convoluted GUI). But to each his own, right? If Resolve best meets your needs, great! Go for it! All the power to you. Just suggesting it’s anywhere CLOSE to being some sort of ominous doomsday competition to FCP… oh puh-leeze. I’d say you’re making a fool of yourself.
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[Michael Gissing] “But I finish and editing for me is part time and usually simple.”
That being the key statement, yes. Seeing that that is the first and foremost reason you’d even want to be using X to begin with, so criticizing or comparing it from a finishing perspective… erm, well… ????
[Michael Gissing] “X seems to have the slowest pace of development and that must be of some concern to users.”
I guess someone hasn’t been paying attention. ????
– RK
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[Oliver Peters] “As far as all-in-ones, I don’t feel that the concept, as designed, will necessarily win out in the marketplace – except maybe for the price. So I’m not posting from either a pro-FCPX or pro-Resolve POV.”
We’re all using applications that can organize footage, create and modify timelines, stabilize, mask, track, comp, effect and color images, add graphics, and mix and route audio. Isn’t everyone in this forum already using an all-in-one?
Walter Soyka
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[Robin S. Kurz] “And just looking at ProRes raw… who exactly is leading and who will be following again? ????”
Apple is following: of course the camera manufacturers have their own raw formats, but CineForm RAW [sic] goes back to 2005 (at 12-bit, just like ProRes Raw, plus the really innovative Active Metadata concept — 13 years ago!). There’s also Adobe’s CinemaDNG from 2009 (which Blackmagic adopted for their cameras). Both CineForm and CinemaDNG are open standards.
But I’m sure Apple will be leading shortly. They can use their market position to encourage the wide adoption of their proprietary standards, even in the face of existing proven, competitive, and open standards.
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[Robin S. Kurz] “… and I immediately know that even the most “extreme free” anything could NEVER get me back to the clearly inferior concept of “tracks” (never mind the ghastly, convoluted GUI). But to each his own, right? If Resolve best meets your needs, great! Go for it! All the power to you. Just suggesting it’s anywhere CLOSE to being some sort of ominous doomsday competition to FCP… oh puh-leeze. I’d say you’re making a fool of yourself.”
Nice to see Robin back isn’t it 🙂
\”Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines\” W.Soyka
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[Ronny Courtens] “Apple was also extremely present on the NAB floor. I think they clearly know that they are right on track (pun intended) with FCP X and that they don’t have anything to fear from anyone. Because there really is no competition for FCP X as an NLE. Either you like it or you don’t like it, and today there seem to be many, many people who like it. For the others, there is a shitload of track-based, “feature-packed” solutions to pick from.”
That almost makes it seem like Apple was downright strategic with FCP X. Create a unique product that stands separate and let the others fight it out. It could be that it was completely accidental, but it seems to be working pretty well for Apple. If Resolve does take down Premiere, that would be an extremely short run for Adobe as an industry leader.
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its great to have so many viable options these days.
I don’t see either FCPX or Resolve dethroning Adobe or Avid in the markets that they dominate now. I also don’t think FCPX users are going to switch to something with tracks or without the organizational features of X because those are two of FCPX unique and strongest points.
I do love that all these apps are pushing each other in development. It seems like FCPX is developing at the slowest rate at the moment so it will be interesting to see what apple has up it sleeves when it does drop a big update.
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[Walter Soyka] “There’s also Adobe’s CinemaDNG from 2009 (which Blackmagic adopted for their cameras). Both CineForm and CinemaDNG are open standards.”
But Walter, I know you are very well used to working with what are basically animation bred still frame sequences – but most of us video folk are not.
Those basically animation formats aren’t native to most video thinkers exoectations, so if ProResRAW provides enough grading latitude in a packetized format that simply works the way we’ve always worked – it stands poised to be a huge winner, IMHO.
Because they’ve got the data rate and compression into the range we are working with right now – nothing changes except we get new abilities to push color and luma to new heights.
No need to spend more on new hardware, software or … anything.
That’s pretty compelling.
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[Ronny Courtens] “I think it is a wonderful addition to Final Cut Pro X, and both apps work together pretty well.”
I would completely agree with that. I, too, see it as complementary as an “online edit” tool.
[Ronny Courtens] “it is crystal clear now that Blackmagic is going directly for the Adobe video customers with Resolve”
Well, maybe. I think they are both chasing the “FCP8” market, which in turn means they are both going after Avid.
[Ronny Courtens] “The Supermeet presos felt like a pissing contest, with Adobe and Resolve presenters fighting each other for showing off the largest numbers of new features.”
LOL. This is your first SuperMeet? ☺
[Ronny Courtens] “The day before I was at the FCP Exchange event where some 350 people ….Quite some honest applause from the crowd, no cheerleaders needed. “
Yep. I was there, too, and concur.
[Ronny Courtens] “it will have zero effect on what Apple will continue to do with FCP X”
True. However, in the context of R15 – if someone has no prior allegiances to any given NLE, then R15 for free is pretty hard to beat.
– Oliver
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