FCPX or R15?

[Oliver Peters]

[Brett Sherman] “That almost makes it seem like Apple was downright strategic with FCP X. Create a unique product that stands separate and let the others fight it out.”

I think they are, but not in a contest with other NLEs. If you have ever met anyone on the ProApps team, you know it’s a mix of people who have gone through the NLE wars, along with others to whom this is all new. So I think they want to – and are – creating an NLE that is designed for new users who are developing video literacy. It includes enough hooks to bring along the established editors, but that’s not necessarily their prime target.

– Oliver

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[Bill Davis]

[Neil Goodman] “It seems like FCPX is developing at the slowest rate at the moment “

Huh?

How is adding a massive new grading facility, RAW support and an entire ADA compliant captioning system into an app in one year the “slowest” development?

Just look at the UI over the past couple of years.

X got lanes, re-organized the UI streamlining the central menu bar, and added powerful and unique functions like caption control inside the timeline index.

I look at the other NLEs and they look largely the same as they did a few years ago.

X doesn’t.

But maybe that’s just because I know it better?

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[Scott Witthaus]

[Neil Goodman] ” It seems like FCPX is developing at the slowest rate at the moment so it will be interesting to see what apple has up it sleeves when it does drop a big update.”

Seriously?

Scott Witthaus
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[Robin S. kurz]

[Walter Soyka] “There’s also Adobe’s CinemaDNG from 2009 (which Blackmagic adopted for their cameras). Both CineForm and CinemaDNG are open standards.”

Wow. Seriously? ????

I’m sorry, but to say that ProRes raw is “following” THOSE utter performance dogs is just silly. Apple are clearly leading with the first USABLE raw format in their own league. That’s a pretty big and highly essential difference in my book. Maybe not in yours.

At least I for one don’t know a single person in their right mind who would actually consider running an entire production on EITHER of the above (yeah, I’m sure there are some crazies somewhere… ????). I just know that I (and many others) considered it once, tried a few test runs and quickly and decidedly said “No effin’ way… like, ever“.

ProRes raw [non-sic] on the other hand? Just finished capturing my first (small) production in it and was doing multiple streams of dailies off of a 2.5″ external USB3 disk on an average MBP! So as far as I’M concerned… it’s a game changer. Zero doubt about it. And so what if Apple is giving AtomOS their few days, weeks, maybe even a couple of months in the limelight? They deserve it. At the very latest, as soon the first DSLRs come out that send raw data via HDMI (and they will come)… game over. Never mind if they even end up simply capturing PR raw internally, which will come just as well, since cameras at that level have ZERO chance of going with any other raw format in terms of performance, if that’s what they want to offer. And their users will be asking for it.

And I think it’s a no-brainer that BMD and others will adopt it as soon as the ink on the license agreement has dried. If they haven’t already.

– RK

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[Robin S. kurz]

[Scott Witthaus] “[Neil Goodman] ” It seems like FCPX is developing at the slowest rate at the moment so it will be interesting to see what apple has up it sleeves when it does drop a big update.”

Seriously?”

I know, right? ????

– RK

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[Walter Soyka]

[Bill Davis] “Those basically animation formats aren’t native to most video thinkers exoectations, so if ProResRAW provides enough grading latitude in a packetized format that simply works the way we’ve always worked – it stands poised to be a huge winner, IMHO.”

You’re right on that Cinema DNG is frame-based in BMD’s implementation. Robin’s right that this adds a performance penalty due to a ton of I/O overhead. The Cinema DMG standard also allows MXF wrapping, which would have solved both of your issues.

CineForm, though, is containerized (customarily MOV now, but AVI was also possible back in the day) and highly comparable to ProRes in file size, quality and performance. It met your criteria for “huge winner” a decade ago. Apple’s clout is the thing that will drive ProRes Raw.

Walter Soyka
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[David Mathis]

FCPX being developed at the slowest rate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_XuPXGMpLA

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[Walter Soyka]

I agree that sequence-based systems have performance issues, but you’ve actually used CineForm? I find your comments surprising because I have built workflows on it, and I find it to be highly comparable to ProRes in image quality, file size, and performance.

I like ProRes a lot, but all other things being equal, I’d rather use a more open format than a more closed one.

[Robin S. Kurz] “And I think it’s a no-brainer that BMD and others will adopt it as soon as the ink on the license agreement has dried. If they haven’t already.”

Let’s ask Grant!

https://youtu.be/yQHH-o_rmK8?t=378

Walter Soyka
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[Shawn Miller]

[Robert Moran] “IMHO, Apple should by BM and integrate the apps as both programs are really good without question. BM has a real winner here once they get all the pieces in place to enable one to do the complete job of sound, edit and composition in one easy to use app. Price point is terrific and having it run on all major platforms is stellar. Will post the clip once it’s done.”

I doubt that Apple would keep BMD applications cross platform in that case… or even keep them in tact as standalone programs. What I really appreciate about BMD is their singular and unique vision to empower creators with the most powerful tools at the lowest price. I can’t imagine Apple embracing that vision.

Shawn

[Greg Janza]

This business is constantly in flux so the notion of being devoted to one particular piece of software or hardware doesn’t make much sense.

If Resolve becomes an NLE that serves post production needs in a more cost efficient and effective manner than the competition, then most likely it’ll be adopted by the marketplace and post professionals will start using it en masse.

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