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FCPX or R15?
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[Walter Soyka] “I agree that sequence-based systems have performance issues, but you’ve actually used CineForm? I find your comments surprising because I have built workflows on it, and I find it to be highly comparable to ProRes in image quality, file size, and performance. “
+1 for Cineform. It was my go to digital intermediate codec for years. I also used CineformRAW to rewrap and recompress raw files from the DigitalBolex and Blackmagic Cinema Cameras for use in Premiere Pro. I was sad that they didn’t continue to develop GoPro Studio any further for professional use.
Shawn
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[greg janza] “If Resolve becomes an NLE that serves post production needs in a more cost efficient and effective manner than the competition, then most likely it’ll be adopted by the marketplace and post professionals will start using it en masse.”
Well, using marketplace adoption as the metric of choice, FCP X wins globally for individual editing and AVID wins in the professional sphere.
Premiere Pro has certainly surged in the middle, but that’s EXACTLY where BlackMagic seems to have set their sights.
I have to say that after working with the largely IP based BlackMagic system in Las Vegas, where every device (cameras, switchers, storage, etc, etc.) kinda looks like just another network node – I have a new appreciation of the change still happening out there in the video creation space.
If this keep evolving toward IP and the web, the real question is whether older style track based editing UI preservers in the eventual SaaS cloud era, or X’s more database and exposed metadata centric model surges. After all, X with it’s robust SQLite database bolted inside already, seems like it might be a better fit in the long run than software largely designed around 20 plus year old editorial concepts. But who knows.
Maybe AVID or Adobe or BlackMagic will take a big leap and crack the code of web based editing. Or maybe that’s why Apple limited their X proposed life span to just 10 years – far shorter than the other two A’s have already been out there – and saw another huge wave of changes on the horizon.
Hard to say.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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I dont know. But all I see in that image are tracks.
Ricardo Marty
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[Shawn Miller] “What I really appreciate about BMD is their singular and unique vision to empower creators with the most powerful tools at the lowest price”
I believe this – but it’s also useful to understand that to achieve this BM pretty much sees the entire video industry from a largely IP perspective.
And that’s a HUGE shift in thinking.
There are huge, huge benefits to the new IP production approach. But many of us trained in the older video traditions have to re-think everything we know about how even some of the simplest video plumbing stuff works in order to advance into the new era heading towards us.
For instance, it used to be knowing how to setup and white balance a production camera was a mission critical live shoot skill. Now knowing how to manage IP addresses on a network is WAY more critical.
Just food for thought.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Ricardo Marty] “I dont know. But all I see in that image are tracks.”
I see the land of the “track-nod.”
The video is way up here……..but I’m pretty sure it’s matching audio is … down……………….here.
Did that for a decade plus.
Seems kinda weird now.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Bill Davis] “Maybe AVID or Adobe or BlackMagic will take a big leap and crack the code of web based editing”
Adobe, Avid, Quantel and others have shown and shipped web-based editing for quite a few years. At least editing via “the cloud”. At NAB, The Foundry showed its applications, like NUKE, running completely in a SaaS model. They are a Google partner and Google is not only hosting the media and the software, but also the hardware for rendering. So if you want to use the web as a metric, Apple is pretty far behind the curve. Or at least I don’t think they have the same interest in going there as others do.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Bill Davis] “I believe this – but it’s also useful to understand that to achieve this BM pretty much sees the entire video industry from a largely IP perspective.
And that’s a HUGE shift in thinking.
There are huge, huge benefits to the new IP production approach. But many of us trained in the older video traditions have to re-think everything we know about how even some of the simplest video plumbing stuff works in order to advance into the new era heading towards us.
For instance, it used to be knowing how to setup and white balance a production camera was a mission critical live shoot skill. Now knowing how to manage IP addresses on a network is WAY more critical. “
I pretty much agree with you if you’re talking about BMD’s vision for what the future of broadcast is, or could be. But I think they’re just as focused on independent, scripted and documentary producers. Grant said as much in the closing of his press conference at NAB this year (around 35:35).
https://youtu.be/8OfzwfJtfMI?t=2142
Talking about the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4k “… so what you get is, you get the camera, and a full visual effects, editing, color correction and professional audio post production solution, all together… I don’t see any other way, there’s not much more we can do for people, to get them going and doing their own feature films and TV programming, but that’s what it’s all about, right, that’s what we’re all here for...”
In another interview (don’t remember which one), he (Grant) said something to the effect that he didn’t want the only creators in film and video to be the people who could afford the biggest loans… or something like that. He’s been pretty clear about that from the beginning though, BMD exists to bring the cost of entry into production and post production to a point that most anyone with drive and creativity can create. I have to be honest… I actually believe him.
Shawn
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[Oliver Peters] “Or at least I don’t think they have the same interest in going there as others do.”
Not sure about this.
Only Apple and Adobe currently have the monetization back end in place to make SaaS a widespread global process. And by that I mean they have the retail hooks in place to scale globally – Adobe via a continuation of the rental model – Apple, if past is prologue, possibly keeping to the buy in once and let hardware sales handle the rest.
Neither Quantel or AVID (Let alone the Foundry) have the RETAIL brand experience. – as a company asking the wider retail market to buy into their platform.
Basically, they are all BtoB players except Adobe and Apple.
And as well as Adobe has done, the number of credit cards they have on file – and the general consumer reputation they enjoy, pales in comparison to the infrastructure Apple can wield.
As cloud editorial expands, Apple virtualizing FCP X (maybe starting with it’s iMovie subset?) seems to me like it would be a super easy lift.
Adobe virtualizing its dozens of CC products and keeping their full cabilities – seems a MUCH bigger stretch to me.
Who knows, maybe the 2011 re-conception of X was a bit about cleaning out the codebase cruft to make an on-line eventuality more possible?
Fun to speculate.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Oliver Peters] “True. However, in the context of R15 – if someone has no prior allegiances to any given NLE, then R15 for free is pretty hard to beat.”
Not so sure about this.
The editorial engine is a traditional stacked track setup, but the minute you go to color stuff, you’re in node land – which may not be the most obvious neighborhood to move into. Don’t know Fairlight, but the whole Resolve suite seems designed like a very big house with a LOT of complicated rooms for a first time homebuyer.
If you’re Designing to make traditional pros in TV stations and production facilities happy – will you get the youngsters coming up to buy into that concept in large numbers?
Time will tell.
Creator of XinTwo – https://www.xintwo.com
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[Bill Davis] “Neither Quantel or AVID (Let alone the Foundry) have the RETAIL brand experience. – as a company asking the wider retail market to buy into their platform.
Basically, they are all BtoB players except Adobe and Apple.”I don’t understand your logic. SaaS when it comes to editing is ONLY a B2B product. There is no retail element to it. Quantel, FWIW, has been absorbed into Grass Valley, who is still repping their cloud NLE, Go. The Foundry is leveraging Google and is targeting their cloud product as an add-on for freelancers for facilities that otherwise have the applications running on-premises.
[Bill Davis] “Adobe virtualizing its dozens of CC products and keeping their full cabilities – seems a MUCH bigger stretch to me.”
Actually their apps already run as a web front end. For all intents and purposes – at least in theory – they could shift over to Premiere running SaaS and it effectively only being the control interface locally. That’s what Adobe Anywhere was/is.
[Bill Davis] “As cloud editorial expands, Apple virtualizing FCP X (maybe starting with it’s iMovie subset?) seems to me like it would be a super easy lift.”
Well, no one is/was talking about the consumer/retail side of this at all. But if you what to position FCPX as a “prosumer” product, go right ahead ☺
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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