Tony West
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[Oliver Peters] “I simply don’t understand what you are getting at. “
Hummmm
I didn’t know it was that complicated.
I was asking you which program you thought a first time student with no previous background in editing would pick up faster. X or AVID
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[Andrew Kimery] “I don’t think Oliver is talking about TV stations. I think he’s talking about production companies like Electus, Endemol, Bunim-Murray, etc.,”
I got you
I was talking about TV stations because there are way more of them out there
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Just for clarification David, I’m not saying removing background in X is better than using RX 4
That’s a distraction argument.
The question on the table was which NLE is easier to learn.
Then I picked a topic to narrow it down.
Weather it’s good or not is irrelevant to the question on the table. Which one is easier to learn.
It’s hands down X
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[Oliver Peters] “Or you could actually teach them to listen and evaluate and understand the meters. “
That’s obvious, you are trying to avoid the question I asked you.
I asked you about teaching the the software not about your own opinion about how well it works.
[Oliver Peters] “Those are the sort of automatics that I avoid because they suck.”
So you would teach your students “kids just skip over that part of the software because I think it sucks”
hahahah that’s silly
[Oliver Peters] “‘ve been doing it since Avid came out and have successfully trained students on a wide range of linear and nonlinear edit systems for decades. So believe or don’t believe it.”
How many classes a week do you teach?
Are you a full time instructor or a person that teaches a class a couple of times a year?
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Many know too well that in the end, like it or not, the accountants make more decisions far more often than they should”
Indeed Robin
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[Oliver Peters] “[tony west] “Let’s say removing background noise. Would that be easier in X or AVID for a student new to editing?”
I would not do it in either NLE. And what does that have to do with learning difficulty?”
I didn’t ask you what you wold do, I asked about a student. And it has everything to do with it.
X tells you when there is a problem with audio. A student may put down an audio track and think it’s fine
but then get alerted that it’s too low. They just learned something right there that the software taught them.
I don’t recall the others doing that.[Oliver Peters] “Not corporations, but TV production companies “
Yeah, the same thing man, big corps own TV stations.
[Oliver Peters] “The same argument could be made in favor of Adobe CC on subscription, because the accounting works out better for the bean counters. Especially since you get the whole Adobe suite.”
It’s not cheaper than X and at local stations reporters who have to cut wouldn’t use the suite anyway. Some don’t even want to do the cutting they are doing.
[Oliver Peters] “I can and have brought students up to speed with all manner of NLEs in the same amount of time.”
That’s hard to believe right there.
I remember when X first came out and people were complaining about it missing all those pages of Preferences that legend had. That’s less to teach right there. Unless you skip over that.
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[Oliver Peters] “3. No NLE is that difficult to learn.”
I think this might to too general of a statement.
Break it down to a specific task.
Let’s say removing background noise. Would that be easier in X or AVID for a student new to editing?[Oliver Peters] “4. The experience of folks in major markets (like LA or NY) at least, is that jobs where Media Composer is used often paid more than jobs where FCP “legacy” was used. So that would tend to reinforce why someone should stay with Media Composer skills.”
Yes, they SHOULD stay with those skills, the point some where making is that how long will they be able to.
You are saying that corps have to pay more to employees with AVID
Brother, you just made the argument why corporations will see X as a way to drive down cost.
The day rate going down across the board is obviously a bad thing for editors.
Many decision makers in the corporate halls are too clueless about X to figure this out right now but in the not too distant future, they will.I’m fine with them staying clues myself. I want the rate to stay as high as possible.
We all know the deal, the harder something is to do the more money you get paid to do it.
[Oliver Peters] “6. FCP X is not easier for young folks nor harder for old folks to pick up on. “
There are people who teach young folks for a living on here that say the opposite. I’m going to go with their opinion since that’s what they do every day. I don’t teach kids video editing for a living.
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[Charlie Austin] “this wildly off topic discussion”
Indeed
It certainly got sidetrack with IMHO a distraction argument.
The argument obviously had no bearing on this man’s ability to rock the heck out of that video.
But I don’t think anybody could really make the case that doing that exact video in a track based NLE would be faster and easier.
If that case can be made, go ahead and put the timeline in here like he did his, and we can compare the approaches.
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I hear you on some of these points, but looking at the subject of this thread, X allows you to put the audio on top of video making it easier for him to work on the two scenes with less scrolling.
If he had put the audio from the second scene below all the audio from the first scene in another NLE it would put the video and audio from that scene even farther away.
The way he did it they were close enough for him to lasso and v quickly.
He could jump back and fourth between the scenes with less scrolling. But we could ask him directly since he is on here.
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[David Cherniack] “anyone coming from outside who wants to understand how all the audio elements of that timeline work together”
Maybe I’m missing something, but I didn’t see anything in the article about anybody else coming in on the edit. The whole point was that there was no time for anything like that anyway. He was under a tremendous time crunch.
It was about speed and organization as much as anything else.