[Tim Kolb]

[Stacy Rothwell] “Now I want to create a DV version. Certainly I don’t want to re-capture everything again with the downconverter turned on my Z1U.”

Do you simply need a DV clip? You can export a DV video file right from the Aspect timeline. Just did that today in fact…

TimK,

Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net

[Tim Kolb]

[colourblind] “Another thing. Sometimes, when I try to grab a clip’s head to shorten it or make it longer, Premiere just hangs for about 10 to 30 seconds. This is only seolvde by a restart.
And another one. Trying to fade in/out clips using the opacity controls doesn’t have any result at all. The clip plays out just as it is.”

Now THAT’s interesting…

Are there specific Black Magic project settings for the project?
This is not a behavior that I have any experience with…

Also, I’d be curious about a few more specifics on the hardware config. It does sound like your PPro system is giving the software a bad name…

Yikes.

TimK,

Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net

[Tim Kolb]

CineForm “Prospect HD” is 10 bit capable. That’s an HD-SDI system.

Aspect HD is 8 bit. Like HDV. RT performance would take quite a hit if you were using 10 bit for HDV editing…

TimK,

Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net

[Tim Kolb]

colourblind:

The issues you are mentioning seem like they might be connected to those really long clips you captured from HDcam…did you capture uncompressed?

When the project takes so long to load, are the drives accessing the whole time? Also when you’re waiting to see the clip in the source window? If so, it’s possible the drives are grunting to queue that large clip…

If you create a shorter project, does the speed issue go away?

The Black Magic guys might have some ideas on what might cause behavior like this (not that it IS the Black Magic card…just that they’ve probably seen a lot of different systems.)

The transition behavior is something I’ve not seen on any of our systems so I don’t have any immediate thoughts on that one…

TimK,

Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net

[Tim Kolb]

[colourblind] “Seriously now. Since the switch is called split screen PREVIEW, I would certainly not expect Premiere to render half a screen, but to nicely make a split screen preview and then when I hit RETURN render the hole damned frame. Who needs a half corrected frame? I certainly wouldn’t. So, as far as I am concerned that can be at least labeled as a terminology / interface glitch. “

Perhaps my response was misinterpreted. I was agreeing with you. That would be a pretty obvious bug. In fact my sense of “irony” was to the obvious nature of the bug…

I wasn’t implying that you weren’t doing it right. I guess I typically want to preview the entire frame before I leave the color corrector, so I guess that’s why I’ve never run into this… I haven’t had a chance to see If I can reproduce this bug myself yet.

[colourblind] ”
” People would rather vent on forums than invest the time to actually read the manuals.”

Crashes, imense rendering times & such have absolutelly nothing to do with reading manuals and are pretty good reasons to “vent on forums” as you like to say.”

Your post was regarding making subclips and a color corrector problem. There was no mention of crashes. PPro runs very, very solid on most systems…not that that’s much consolation when it is crashing…

There may be some conflict with something on your system that would cause crashes, but PPro has almost no(the media encoder under certain conditions would be an exception to this…) bugs in it’s code that will cause a crash that I know of and I’m using it for DV, SD, HDV, HD…lots of layers, lots of effects…I run it on P4 laptops (1.7/512, 3.2/2 Gig) and several desktops (P4 3.06/1 Gig, 3.0/512, Dual Opteron 252s/2 Gig) etc. So it’s not like I’m coasting with it.

I suppose that render times are relative. Dependent on processor power and what you’re used to… Very few systems that have significantly more real-time capabilities AND are as feature-rich as Premiere Pro are priced comparably so I guess there are bound to be differences on several levels.

I edit with Aspect HD from CineForm with 1440×1080 8 bit HD files on my laptop without any deal-breaker render breaks…and the “preview” in unrendered areas is actually watchable for flow while I’m actually cutting in most cases.

In native DV mode, there can be render delays and some effects like Magic Bullet choke the preview capability and do take a long time to render…so I guess anecdotally, yes some effects take some time to render.

Out of curiousity, what exactly crashes PPro for you?…the Media Encoder?

TimK,

Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net

[Tim Kolb]

[Bill Buchanan] “Of course it is today “impossible” to stretch a square into a rectangle without distorting the image other than by cropping it. But I bet that in time, some pimply-faced hacker who gets off hearing, “That’s impossible.” will come up with a way.”

Uh, Bill…I think your point in that post is above…

I think the whole “stretch without distortion” thing is the problem.

To stretch a square into a rectangle without distorting it would mean the inherent aspect ratio of the content wouldn’t change…that would leave you with two choices…either scale it up and cut off the top and bottom or fit the entire image in the space and leave the extra room blank on the sides.

The only way to keep the pixels from remapping and hang on to the whole image AND not distort it would be if the 4:3 space in the center of the 16:9 frame had enough resolution to accomodate your 4:3 image pixel-for-pixel. That would leave you the black space. As it is, since it won’t map pixel-to-pixel, you are scarificing the pixels you are trying to keep because even though the composition is preserved, it’s mapped across far less individual pixels…resulting in essentially a horizontal “scale.”

This isn’t about discovering a cold-fusion powered aspect ratio-changer from some thinking-out-of-the-box type ten years in the future…it’s about how a square peg won’t fit correctly in a round hole…20 years from now when they test this theory with precision machined titanium parts, the results will be strikingly similar to 300 years ago when it was tested with wood.

When it comes to changing aspect ratios, the introduction of Photoshop didn’t really change the process from the days of razor blades and darkrooms…you can crop, scale, or distort. Pick any one.

TimK,

Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net

[Tim Kolb]

I still would think you’d be within your rights to demand the product back if they aren’t going to pay for them, yes.

Anybody have a different angle on that one?

TimK,

Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net

[Tim Kolb]

Well…I’m not sure I understand the question. If you do a vertical letterbox of your 4:3 material in a 16:9 project, you will lose resolution…just keep the composition…and have black bars on both sides.

Is that what you’re asking?

TimK,

Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net

[Tim Kolb]

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with asking for the defective product back as a condition of replacing the media.

TimK,

Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net

[Tim Kolb]

[Mike Cohen] “So the lack of batch digitizing without first making subclips is a drag compared with the other systems out there, but I think a decent tradeoff considering the features available.
If one feels that a software program “doesn’t do what xyz software does” then use xyz software!”

You can get a “used material only ” batch digitize by having a project trimmed in the Project Manager. You don’t need to make subclips. The Project Manager will trim all the media with the handles you specify and create a new project with the new media. Simply batch from the trimmed project at that point. Trimming a project can take anywhere from 10-30 minutes in my experience with large projects, but compared to making all those subclips…

TimK,

Kolb Syverson Communications,
Creative Cow Host,
2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
“Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net