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  • Premiere and it’s revolutionary Neanderthal Technology

    Posted by Andrei-cristian Murgescu on July 4, 2005 at 11:31 am

    One question, out of the many that will eventually make me burst into tears, grab and AK47 and massacre an entire programming and development team.

    How in the name of al Gods can one create freakin’ sublicps out of a bigger clip in Premiere? Is it such a hi-tech feature that the Adobe buys missed it? I just want to be able to create (Avid like) subclips instead of browsing hours through footage.
    If any of you knows a way to do that please tell me. Until now everybody I know that has used Pain in the neck Pro 1.5 told me subclips can’t be don.

    Andrei-cristian Murgescu replied 19 years, 7 months ago 7 Members · 28 Replies
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  • Steven L. gotz

    July 4, 2005 at 4:22 pm

    They are actually quite easy, and you might have gotten a quicker response on the Premiere Pro forum. It is time to expand the number of people you know, since the ones you already know, do not know everything you want to know.

    Place the long clip in the source window, then set the in/out markers, and grab the middle of the picture and drag it to the Project Window. Then immediately rename the new clip in the Project Window, since it will have the same name as the original. Change the in/out settings and drag the next section to the Project Window and rename. Keep doing this as often as necessary to get all of the smaller clips into the Project Window and renamed using descriptive names.

    The problem is that it references the original clip, and is not limited to just the in/out settings. But they can easily be used as subclips. Just be aware that they are not locked down to just the area you selected. They can easily be expanded, but this should not cause a problem once you know the deal.

    If you really want to delete the original clip, and make true subclips, use the Project Manager to trim the project. That will create all new clips, and you can delete the original. Thos new clips should be just the selection plus the designated handles.

    Steven
    Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 / After Effects 6.5 Pro https://www.stevengotz.com
    Learning Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 https://www.lynda.com
    Contributing Writer, PeachPit Press, Visual QuickPro Guide, Premiere Pro 1.5

  • Mike Cohen

    July 5, 2005 at 1:44 am

    But batch digitizing from the source with the subclips – will that work?

  • Steven L. gotz

    July 5, 2005 at 4:26 am

    You mean after it has been trimmed? Yes, it works. The new clips have the timecode needed to recapture.

    Steven
    Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 / After Effects 6.5 Pro https://www.stevengotz.com
    Learning Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 https://www.lynda.com
    Contributing Writer, PeachPit Press, Visual QuickPro Guide, Premiere Pro 1.5

  • Andrei-cristian Murgescu

    July 5, 2005 at 8:31 am

    Thanks Steven.

    As a note, I did visit the Premiere forums and I did read your post regarding the subclips issue but at first it didn’t work. After reading your post on this forum I finally managed to do it. However, you must admit the process is pretty time consumming and akward, but well, it works. As for my iritated state that was due to the numerous glitches in Premiere’s fetures. I do not have too much Premiere experience but for now I do find trimming extremelly impracticable, collor correction is ok, but has a ludicrous glitch that in my opinion should trigger the firing of many people (more on that latter). Don’t get me wrong I’m a huge Adobe fan but, Premiere in my opinion is a tiny (yet annoyng crack) in their shiny armor.

  • Tim Kolb

    July 5, 2005 at 2:00 pm

    I’m curious as to what the glitch in the color corrector is…

    I find it interesting when people have very little experience with something, they make sweeping evaluations…but the main complaint usually comes out as “Product X is completely defective because Product Y does this and this and this and Product X does it differently…”

    I’ve edited with Producers in the room who are used to editing with Avid editors and they make the comment that PPro is “…so much faster.”

    Is PPro faster? Not really…Avid isn’t faster either. The editor and their experience and comfort with the software is the key.

    Making subclips in PPro makes workflow sense when you understand what the operating principles of the software are…

    I’m not sure if you refer to trimming source slips or edit points when you reference it…I find it much quicker to use the N/B and Y/U keys to key in the ripple/roll or slip/slide tools and trim edit points right on the timeline with the quad view that comes up in the overlay.

    As adults, we all adapt to new things slower than we did when we were younger…this doesn’t mean that all changes are bad. I find the use of the word “Neanderthal” in your subject line sort of interesting…this post in the PPro forum without that word in the subject line would have garnered you some help I would think. Even with it, there are certainly more “in the know” Premiere Pro users there.

    I understand the desire to vent, but ultimately getting assistance fixes your problem…

    TimK,

    Kolb Syverson Communications,
    Creative Cow Host,
    2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
    Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
    Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
    “Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net

  • Bob Bonniol

    July 5, 2005 at 3:32 pm

    Yup, I am in complete agreement with Tim. Even though we are an FCP shop, primarily, we still have PPro installed on our windows boxes for quick or incidental cutting, and we find it to be pretty much equal to FCP (or Avid, which we have as well). The days of Premiere being a kludgy tool (back in the 5.x days) are over. PPro is powerful, elegant, intuitive, (pile on your favorite NLE adjective here). There are things about it that puzzle me (I work on the FCP setups), but I watch people who KNOW the program fly on it.

    So my .02 ? Take the time to work through the tutorials, maybe invest in some training tapes or other training books, and figure out whether the program is REALLY not doing what you need it to do, or whether you just haven’t figured it out yet. If PPro, FCP, Avid, Liquid, et al all looked and behaved exactly alike, there’d be very little reason for them to exist. Different workflows yield different strengths.

    Good luck, and crack that manual open friend !

    Best,
    Bob Bonniol

    MODE Studios
    http://www.modestudios.com
    Contributing Editor, Entertainment Design Magazine
    Art of the Edit Forum Leader
    Live & Stage Event Forum Leader
    HD Forum Leader

  • Andrei-cristian Murgescu

    July 5, 2005 at 3:35 pm

    Okay okay. No reason to take it so personal. It’s just that I sometimes use a more…say colorful scheme when posting. 😛

    I do admit that ussually, it’s not the software that matters and that this is also a problem of who to what software is used.
    Latellyt I had to handle two HD projects using Premiere. I kept saying ot myself that I’ll be writting a detailed post about these two projects and working with Premiere but I didn’t have the time to. Bottom line, with absolutelly no intent of hurting anybody’s feelings, Premiere had a crush for crashes so to speak. As I said, I will try to bring some further details, not only to avoid acuses but also to exchange some oppinions. I strongly believe that the first and most important thing is to get the job done, as efficient and ergonomic as possible.

    About what I consider a glitch in the Color Corrector…

    There is a switch called SPLIT SCREEN PREVIEW or something. What really amused me was the fact that, when hitting render, Premiere graciously renders just half of the image. Neat. Now, if I hit render in most of the cases I want a final render, not a split screen one. Second. When rendering, Premiere also has a fancy for rendering not only SPLIT SCREEN but it also renders the small triangles that mark the splitter line.

    “Making subclips in PPro makes workflow sense when you understand what the operating principles of the software are…”

    Not really. It’s about which software’s workflow is best. Also, different editors have different workflows much like the projects themselves. So, imposing a software based workflow is a bit limitating. It’s true each software has it’s own defining features, but to get hampered by a poor/primitive (just to justiy the Neanderthal term) Media Mangement scheme it’s a totally different story.
    Furthermore, I agree my knowledge of Premiere is quite limited, but, one of the many cons I have is that, Premiere also seems to force a mouse based workflow on the users. Yes, keyboard is customizable and I noticed the Avid preset :p but still every Premiere editor’s I have seen best friend was the mouse. Ofcourse, Steven may be biased to remind me again that the number of Premiere editors I know can be hardly considered a statistic but then again… why not.
    Anyway, I do not intend to throw rotten tomatoes at anyone. It’s just that, until now, PPro has given me tons of headaches although I was interested in exploring it since I met persons who hailed this new version and talked so much about the new and improved Premiere.
    I believe, that as long as this topic remains within tolerable limits we could get something out of eachoter.

    Graciously yours,
    Colourblind

  • Mickavid

    July 5, 2005 at 4:01 pm

    More Hubris,

    I am an ex-avid editor who has been skulking around and getting the likes of velocity, fcp and now premiere pro to do my bidding.

    Every time i sit down at a new machine I try to make it work like the old one. And every time I curse it for it’s inadequacy and ineptitude when it won

  • Bob Bonniol

    July 5, 2005 at 4:41 pm

    Colourblind, I understand right where you’re at on this… and no worries. With the Forum Leaders, we’ve all been around for years worth of hot flaming threads, so we’ve all got pretty thick skins when it comes to frustrated venting.

    I do know this about PPro: There are hardware configs that seem to work really well, and there are some that don’t. Actually I guess thats more of an OS/Platform thing, because it’s certainly true of Avid as well. So some of your issues (in the crashing sense) may have to do with this. I’d absolutley check in on the PPro forum on that, those folks will have hardware/software conflict experience.

    Workflow is such an investment. It took me a couple of years until I felt as confortable and speedy on FCP as I did on Avid. And along the way I certainly hit my head against the wall in frustration alot. But now, I can’t imagine going back or using anything else (until something better comes along I guess). It just took me sniffing my way into every little corner of FCP until I was back to being an edit jedi on the platform. The end message: Keep on keeping on…

    Best,
    Bob

    MODE Studios
    http://www.modestudios.com
    Contributing Editor, Entertainment Design Magazine
    Art of the Edit Forum Leader
    Live & Stage Event Forum Leader
    HD Forum Leader

  • Tim Kolb

    July 5, 2005 at 7:06 pm

    [colourblind] “There is a switch called SPLIT SCREEN PREVIEW or something. What really amused me was the fact that, when hitting render, Premiere graciously renders just half of the image. Neat. Now, if I hit render in most of the cases I want a final render, not a split screen one. Second. When rendering, Premiere also has a fancy for rendering not only SPLIT SCREEN but it also renders the small triangles that mark the splitter line.”

    LMAO…that would be a glitch wouldn’t it? I guess I never left the corrector with the split screen turned on so I never ran into it…

    As far as workflow goes…I personally find it interesting that Premiere Pro can be as keyboard-based as you want…but Avid can’t really utilize a mouse if you would like to…

    🙂

    If you go through and learn the keyboard commands, I suspect you’d be shocked at how little you need the mouse…when somone first sits down in front of an Avid, how would they know where the function keys are without a map or the manual?

    Why do we make an Avid user responsible to get training and take classes to learn how to operate the machine to be considered a proficient editor, but somehow Premiere Pro is supposed to deliver all that functionality yet somehow Premiere Pro is defective because a user can’t simply sit down and somehow instinctively operate it without ever cracking a manual?

    That’s just absurd…

    Go over and crank about the Avid on the Cow’s Avid forum with a “this software doesn’t work the way I want it to so it stinks” sort of issue and see what sort of response you get…

    (BTW…on media management, it’s better than it’s ever been, but it’s still not Avid…but then on media management, nothing is…it continues to improve.)

    TimK,

    Kolb Syverson Communications,
    Creative Cow Host,
    2004-2005 NAB Post Production Conference
    Premiere Pro Technical Chair,
    Author, “The Easy Guide to Premiere Pro” http://www.focalpress.com
    “Premiere Pro Fast Track DVD Series” http://www.classondemand.net

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