[Terry Hahin]

Cool thanks Angelo. Very Helpful…

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[Terry Hahin]

Yup seems to be the case.

That’s what I get for allowing the client to insist on cutting a large scale project in Premiere….

Thanks for your thoughts Walter.

Terry Hahin

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[Terry Hahin]

I’m in the same boat here and actually just posted the identical problem on the Cow. I don’t have a solution right now…..I realized it and the next few months are going to be a major problem for me unless I can figure out a workaround for this issue.

Anyone find anything here?

Terry Hahin

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[Terry Hahin]

Shane,
thanks for quick response.

Workflow is usually this. Shoot material in various formats. Transcode to Pro Res. Cut in that Pro Res Compression sequence setting for RT.

I find I can’t output in that compression setting though, because my Animation material from After Effects gets extremely crunched up in the codec. So in the final Output I switch to animation to output. So the Render issue you talk about is not an issue.

This is the only solution I have found that does not crunch up the graphics in my outputs.

These outputs are for web, not broadcast. I am viewing the final output on the desktop in quicktime. Not judging the interlacing issues here in the Canvas or Viewer.

Everything works fine, except that Final Cut adds interlacing to material that it is rendering. An example of these moments are:

transitions
time warps
motion warps

it’s a problem because has an inconsistent amount of interlacing.

Thoughts?

Thanks in advance,
terry

Terry Hahin

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[Terry Hahin]

Great thanks guys!

Terry Hahin

Designer and Editor
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[Terry Hahin]

Thanks Kevin,
this works great. Your advice is always very helpful.

Cheers!

Terry Hahin

Designer and Editor
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[Terry Hahin]

Hi Tim,
Looks like the desktop timeline setting in Ppro worked well when I exported out using the AME encoder. Only one test, but so far, so good. Really appreciate your suggestion on that.

In terms of QT Pro as an encoder, although it has less options in the outputs setting, it does tend to give me more stable results. The biggest issue I’ve noticed is that the banding results when you make lossy compressions (h264’s, mpeg2’s, etc.) tends to be a lot worse from QTpro than out of AME. But since it’s more stable I lean towards that more and more these days.

Appreciate your comment about the troublesome FCP DVD output. I also have yet to come to a perfect system myself, but it’s easy to forget that when yours is going down!

Again thanks for your suggestions on the sequence settings. If it wasn’t for all the great advice on the cow I don’t know where I’d be!

Cheers,

Terry Hahin

Designer and Editor
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[Terry Hahin]

Hi Tim,
appreciate your time. I’ll clarify a few things.

I’m a PC here at my home studio where I do much of my freelance work. But I do a great deal of FCP cutting remotely at other studios so it’s possible that I am simply used to the reliability of Quicktime on a MAC based platform.

In terms of blaming Ppro vs AME, most of but not all issues do seem to arise from using AME through Ppro, as opposed to AME by itself. So in fairness they are both a pain I guess.

Question for you in terms of your Blu-Ray output preset suggestions. I see there is a 1440 option, but it seems like that A. I don’t want to lose the quality if it’s not necessary, and B. I’ve already built everything at the full 1920×1080 so why not continue in that dimension size?

But you mentioned something I would like to discuss more. That this could stem from the sequence preset in Ppro itself. I am unable to find (or custom create) an appropriate sequence setting for 1920x1080p animation codec quicktime files. The closest is the one that I have been using, mentioned above in my previous post, with the AVCHD codec. It’s the only option as far as I can tell that even allows me the full 1920×1080 dimensions.

It does not surprise me that the back end of the After Effects render engine is essentialy the same as AME. But it is definitely true that it works much more stably, quickly, and qualitatively better out of After Effects. At least it’s always been that way on the numerous types of PC configurations I’ve had over the past few years.

So I would love you to be right that my problem is my sequence setting. So I guess my question is…what sequence setting in Ppro would you use if you were in my shoes?

Thanks for your help Tim,

Terry Hahin

Designer and Editor
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[Terry Hahin]

Hi John,
thanks for your input. I’m monitoring these currently on my desktop. The files will end up projected in a gallery, never intended for broadcast space.

I know what you mean with blown out white distortion, but this is very different. It causes strange pixel noise to show up. This most current run of distortion I am receiving looks as if I had applied a horizontal directional blur, then posterized it. Different than blown out whites.

Sadly, I am getting the impression that there is no solution to this. The Adobe Media Encoder can simply not be trusted to input/output, or have all sorts of uncompressed Quicktime codec sources. It is a poor, un-versatile encoder and I have decided to no longer depend on it professionally.

Many have often offered the suggestion that switching to uncompressed AVI is the way to go. The problem with this is that myself, (like many other freelancers in my situation), often work with other post houses that are purely Quicktime based. The idea of using AVI’s to them is not an option. So as a result, it would really be helpful if my workflow be Quicktime based as well.

This issue is part of a huge list of problems I have been having with this encoder. Whether it be stuttering h264’s, or distortion in more “uncompressed” formats, it’s one thing after another. I wish adobe would listen to it’s users and the countless problems I see all over message boards about problems with AME and Quicktime. My time tech support their lousy encoder is done. I am officially throwing in the towel.

I have found a work around where I can import the premiere sequence into After Effects, then use the After Effects render engine to do all my final renders. An extra step…but at least the AE render engine is reliable.

So there’s my rant. Thanks for listening all.

Terry Hahin

Designer and Editor
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[Terry Hahin]

Vince,
I was afraid of that answer. Means a lot of work on my end.

The strange thing is that I see these results when I use Ppro to the Media encoder. But when I use the MEdia encoder by itself it typically takes the Qt’s just fine.

Thanks for your input. If anyone else has some two cents before I re-render all of my hundreds of source files I’d love to hear it.

Terry Hahin

Designer and Editor
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