Simon Ubsdell
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[Shawn Miller] “This is why AE is so hard to replace (IMO), it’s a great animation tool with decent compositing capabilities… there just isn’t anything quite like it on the market. “
I wouldn’t argue with that at all – it’s just that I find that Ae’s compositing abilities are often seriously oversold. I think your perspective here is just the right balance.
Simon Ubsdell
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[Jeremy Garchow] ” I routinely submit consolidated timelines to mograph artists. These timeline may be edits, some of them may be timing suggestions, some of them have text built in for further animation, some of them are stacked layers for further compositing. I don’t see any other application that would allow me to work in a similar manner, although I have not tried the Resolve/Fusion combo in that manner.”
Fusion Connect does now in fact allow you to do just that out of Resolve – and you have a perfectly conventional Ae style Timeline once you’re in Fusion as well. The implementation is really very good indeed and hugely impressive for a brand new feature.
However, the big challenge from your perspective would be finding enough talented artists with the kind of mograph experience who could produce Ae style graphics for you in Fusion.
That part, I will admit, is not easy …
Simon Ubsdell
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Indeed, you are absolutely right. And these are very important considerations.
Which is why I only said it was supported “to an extent”.
I’m certainly not convinced that Mocha and Motion will ever get any further than this.
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[Jeremy Garchow] ” I am also mostly not a compositor.”
But don’t you find that the boundary between mograph and compositing is blurring more and more over time to the point where plain and simple mograph in the old-fashioned sense almost doesn’t exist anymore?
I do appreciate your more general point though that Ae (and Ps and Ai and a few others) have become such dominant industry standards that interchange is very problematic once you step outside the Adobe zone.
In a sense Adobe dominance does have to do with the superiority of their products, but in another sense it’s very much to do with the demands of interchange within the industry.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I’d look more at Motion if had more third party support (like Mocha 5’s new plugin for example).”
Motion does support Mocha (to an extent):
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[Walter Soyka] “I do mean to suggest you cannot practically vary the structure of the comp itself over time. You have one static flow graph that must accommodate every frame in the range.”
To what extent is this true/not true?
I can go into the timeline view in Fusion and slide my clips around in time just as I would in Ae. If I have animation associated with that clip, I can move the animation with the clip or not as I choose.
That to me, is varying the structure of the comp over time.
What more did you have in mind?
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I think Nuke and Fusion have some advantages there, although Ae has it’s place as well.”
I’m going to stick my neck out here and say that for compositing Ae simply cannot touch node-based solutions.
(I always like a good argument.)
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[Oliver Peters] “Plus a lot of these start as layered Photoshop files, so there’s a natural integration there with AE. I’m not sure if Fusion preserves PSD layers with layer effects or not.”
Fusion works just fine with layered files – PSD, of course, but just try working with multi-pass renders of EXR! Very flexible and powerful.
[Oliver Peters] “So they are working across several shots, not just clip by clip.”
It’s certainly possible to do with in Fusion – Fusion Connect now supports exactly that. But I take your overall point.
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[Walter Soyka] “Flow graphs don’t change over time. Timelines do. I think that this vague concept of “length*seamlessness” in a mograph piece favors timelines more as it increases.”
But it’s not entirely accurate to suggest that Nuke/Fusion don’t have timelines …
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[Oliver Peters] “Fusion and Nuke and others are node-based compositors and as such can only do part of what AE does. Especially in the area of motion graphics.”
Would you care to elaborate on where you think Fusion (and/or Nuke) doesn’t stack up in terms of motion graphics?
It’s an interesting question – I have seen some outstanding mograph done in both applications. But what are the theoretical and/or practical limits?
Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
hawaiki