Simon Ubsdell
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[Walter Soyka] ”
An admittedly poor analogy that tries to make this a little more concrete: with FCP7, you are standing on the shore, observing a boat on a river, but independent of both. With FCPX, you’re floating in the river along with the boat as you observe them both, governed by the same forces that are changing the things you’re observing.”Feels like you really should be invoking Einstein here – but maybe that would be to complicate a bit 😉
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[David Lawrence] “Only 12 steps instead of one. Sweet!”
Snap 😉
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[Richard Herd] ” here was this dude does:
https://www.macprovideo.com/hub/final-cut/gang-sync-in-fcp-x“Yup, that really works just as well as gang sync. Only – let me count them – 12 easy steps!!!!!
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[Oliver Peters] “I suspect Logic X will NOT be more specialized. Although tracks may survive, it will certainly be designed to appeal to a broader base now that it’s been moved to the App Store.”
Unfortunately I think you’re likely to be absolutely right about this – though I like to hope otherwise.
I think this will be another very interesting test of Apple’s plausibility as a supplier of products to the professional AV industry. They have such a great chance to build a really strong PT contender, but somehow we know they won’t be doing that and they’ll be heading for the dumbed-down route instead.
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[David Lawrence] “My point is that I layout my audio tracks intentionally to make life easier for the audio guys. Or for me when I’m in STP. There’s more to it than just labeling, track order is important too and right now there’s no way to control that. Compound clips and controls hidden in the inspector add further complication.”
Interestingly the makers of x2pro have started to address this very elegantly with their implementation of roles in the AAF.
Not that I’m disagreeing with your basic argument about layout which I think is very important.
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[Oliver Peters] “PT is the industry standard and nearly ever mixer I work with, who specializes in sound for picture, is very tied to PT. Providing a PT session file is often a deliverable requirement on some jobs.”
Yes, very much agree with this. In my field which is feature film, the lingua franca is PT and nothing but and mostly it’s about sharing PT sessions, which still makes a huge amount of sense. A lot of feature filmd eliverables are specified as PT sessions, as you say. Which means there isn’t really the choice to work in anything else.
[Oliver Peters] “I’ve sometimes had trouble with him reading OMFs out of FCP7.”
Yup, I’ve found that there are major problems with getting OMFs into things like STP and Logic – maybe Logic X will be better but I doubt it!
[Oliver Peters] “Other Logic users tend to be musicians rather than just audio post folks.”
I used to use Logic a lot for music then dropped out of the habit and now do it all in PT, which isn’t as good but it does the job. Again it would be great to see Logic really step up a gear, but the FCPX experience tells us that this is not a given!
[Oliver Peters] “I certainly know plenty of PT mixers who have a wealth of third-party plug-ins.”
Anyone who works in audio (and I dip in and out all the time) is by definition a plug-in/outboard effects junkie and mostly with good reason. What is certainly true though is that the Logic/STP/FCPX plug-in set is simply amazing value with a really high class sonic quality and a really deep feature set. This is the main reason why I deplore the death of STP which seemed to me to be on course to be the best/most cost effective DAW for audio post if anybody had ever bothered to take it seriously. Like you, I always preferred it to PT for speed and convenience and for the fact that it could do a lot of things a whole lot better. In many ways this is the saddest fall-out from the demise of the FCS suite, though I know there will only be a handful of people who who agree.
[Oliver Peters] “That’s certainly not the intention, but you do have a lot of upgrade variables. Personally I find the website very difficult to navigate.”
Sorry, but I’m just not as charitable as you, and having been majorly stung by AVID over so many issues over so many years it seems pretty clear to me that obfuscation of the pricing structure is one of their core business strategies.
[Oliver Peters] “One other comment before was about the real-time bounce.”
This really is a shocking omission at this point in time – and massive waste of valuable time. OTH there are many facilities whose livelihood is dependent on pumping out deliverables and who don’t for one minute begrudge the fact that they can claim that these have to be done in real time. That’s very good revenue right there.
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[David Lawrence] “LOL, well what’s crazy is 8 months and two updates out they still haven’t managed to provide basics like audio sync markers. What’s up with that? The fact that something this elementary is missing to begin with says a lot about their audio design assumptions and priorities. They have a lot of work to do.”
Yup. I’m afraid Schadenfreude is not an attractive behaviour pattern but I can’t help being amused at seeing the peerless Apple showing itself to be completely imbecilic over this whole product.
They’ve swum way out of their depth and they don’t really have a clue how to get back to shore. It shouldn’t be funny – but it is.
They obviously massively miscalculated how long it would take to get it into any decent kind of shape, then they panicked and just threw it out there anyway. And funniest of all is that they’re just carrying right on throwing out stuff that is way from ready, from multicam to broadcast monitoring to PSD support, to 10.0.3 itself which is clearly more dysnfunctional than anything we’ve seen so far.
I’m sorry but to me they just look sillier and sillier as time goes by – and I’m loving it.
And I think it is a hugely valuable lesson to us all. No business, however mighty, is infallible. Empires rise. They also fall.
If I have a reason for sticking around and watching, it’s because there’s nothing quite as satisfying as a good come-uppance.
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One other thing that is perhaps a bit hard to pin down, but one corrupt or otherwise problematic bit of media (often an imported graphic file, but it could also be a render) will cause slowdowns and worse. Much, much worse!
In fact, it’s just like working on AVID in that respect 😉
Isolating such problems can be tricky though …
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[Tom Wolsky] “I think he’s already there if he’s doing multicam.”
Oops – I guess it pays to read the OP properly!
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x2pro works really well in my experience and really changes the FCPX landscape. This was a really crucial missing function and the guys at Marquis have taken care to get it right.
Just a few things to be aware of.
The lack of a consolidate feature in the current version means your AAF can easily turn out huge – just be conscious of the fact that all your audio source material will be copied into the AAF, which will be time-consuming and space-consuming. However, this is being addressed apparently and should make its appearance reasonably soon, I hope.
Also volume and pan are not supported but will be soon.
Finally, note that if you use a multi-track audio source, all the tracks from that source will come through even if you’ve only chosen to edit with one or two of them.
PS. I have heard that there may be issues with x2pro running out of memory but I have not experienced this.
Make sure you send your feedback in to the vendors so they can make this product as good as you want it to be. From a couple of conversations with them, they are really committed to making this work.
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